SAS SAS #10 Official Page 8/03/26-8/07/26

[Mike Shull]

These pictures were taken in 2014 right before we moved back to Denver. Bailey the boarder collie mix loved going to the mountains but she hated riding in the Cruiser. The first time that I out her in the Cruiser she jumped straight out the back when I started it. She eventually grew to love the cruiser, as did I. Ha. Shep is the healer that I pictured above.

 

[LDowney]

... If she saw a dog off a leash, what would she do?

Just seeing and knowing that the dogs are off the leash will cause her to be mindful and uncomfortable. From there it depends on the dogs and there proximity to her plus the owners oversight/interaction with their dogs. On the trails; if her concerns are heightened, she will most likely retreat to the Cruiser and probably stay there at most stops. At the KOA; if her concerns are heightened, she will simply ask to leave.

She just attended Cruise Moab with me and had a great time. She obviously loved the scenery, but also stated how friendly everyone was and how much she enjoyed meeting them. From my experience, this is common to all Cruiser events and the community but she rarely comes with me so it was new to her. Luckily at Cruise Moab, our groups rides didn't have any dogs off the leash so she wasn't dealing with concern/fear of the dogs and was able to enjoy the people. I am confident that she would enjoy meeting everyone at SAS, but feeling safe to get out of the Cruiser will be a key enabler.

Another aspect is leash laws/rules are seldomly followed without clear commitment to. My hope is to get a feeling of the level of commitment level in advance.

 

[Mesa Woman]

Got @Mesa Woman @mesa man FJ40 in that one! I probably have a lot of side mirror Cruiser pics!

I love side mirror pics!! I have a good one I’ll share! Thanks @Kleatus for sharing!
Gotta love Cruiser and Cruisers!

 

[Mesa Woman]

Since dogs is a current topic, what is policy for their control during the event?

Why I ask:
My bride was bitten by a dog while on its leash while under the control of its owner at a local park. The owner then ran off with the dog. Not only dodging any uncomfortable responsibility discussion, but more importantly leaving us with no information on the status of the dog's rabies shots. Clearly, it got worse for her because she had to have the full series of shots to protect herself from the possibility of rabies. Adding further insult to the injury, our insurance made a mistake in sending her to the closest hospital to get the shots but the insurance would not cover the cost of the shots at that hospital so we had a $20k out of pocket bill to cover.

Fast forward to now, she is very vigilant and frequently nearly in panic with fear when she encounters dogs on or off a leash now.

I realize that this is a responsible group that is unlikely to bring anything close to a problematic pup to such a gathering. But the trauma that she carries is real and things do not always go as planned, including beloved pampered pups, so while on the topic of dogs...

She will be attending the event with me; hence why I am asking this question.
Thanks

While on KOA premises ALL dogs must be on a leash regardless of training level… ALL!

But while on the trail it is open for the owner to keep dogs leached or let them run in the fresh mountain airs.

She might want to meet the dogs who will be on trail with her so she can see how she feels and let others know how she feels.

But yes lots of dogs will be present that is a fact. Family friendly events bring lots of children, spouses/partners and dogs, we even had a cat last year that @cruiserdan ’s wife travels with!

 

[jeremy j]

But yes lots of dogs will be present that is a fact. Family friendly events bring lots of children, spouses/partners and dogs, we even had a cat last year that @cruiserdan ’s wife travels with!

Oh crap. My wife sees this and she'll want to start bringing our cats along too. Hell I would too.

 

[Mesa Woman]

Oh crap. My wife sees this and she'll want to start bringing our cats along too. Hell I would too.

Same!! Imagine fluffy kitty cuddles in the tent!! Lol
One day I hope to have a traveling cat who does not shed!!

 

[Broski]

Since dogs is a current topic, what is policy for their control during the event?

Why I ask:
My bride was bitten by a dog while on its leash while under the control of its owner at a local park. The owner then ran off with the dog. Not only dodging any uncomfortable responsibility discussion, but more importantly leaving us with no information on the status of the dog's rabies shots. Clearly, it got worse for her because she had to have the full series of shots to protect herself from the possibility of rabies. Adding further insult to the injury, our insurance made a mistake in sending her to the closest hospital to get the shots but the insurance would not cover the cost of the shots at that hospital so we had a $20k out of pocket bill to cover.

Fast forward to now, she is very vigilant and frequently nearly in panic with fear when she encounters dogs on or off a leash now.

I realize that this is a responsible group that is unlikely to bring anything close to a problematic pup to such a gathering. But the trauma that she carries is real and things do not always go as planned, including beloved pampered pups, so while on the topic of dogs...

She will be attending the event with me; hence why I am asking this question.
Thanks

Really sorry you had to go through that. Dogs and Cruiser pretty much go together.

Really bothers me when people have mean dogs in public on of off the leash !!

 

[RevISK]

Our dog is a member of the family and actually behaves better off than on a leash. We keep him on a run at camp but he is free to roam on our runs. He is very friendly, loyal and obedient but animals (like people) can sense fear.
I feel for the situation you went through but like it has been mentioned, there are a lot of dogs at camp that are leashed and well behaved. Everywhere.

 

[Broski]

Sassy is the sweetest Dog ever on or off the leash. She loves people and Dogs all the same there's not a mean bone in her body.

 

[cruiserdan]

we even had a cat last year that @cruiserdan ’s wife travels with!

On a leash or in a carrier backpack, I might add.

 

[Ditcherman]

Just seeing and knowing that the dogs are off the leash will cause her to be mindful and uncomfortable. From there it depends on the dogs and there proximity to her plus the owners oversight/interaction with their dogs. On the trails; if her concerns are heightened, she will most likely retreat to the Cruiser and probably stay there at most stops. At the KOA; if her concerns are heightened, she will simply ask to leave.

She just attended Cruise Moab with me and had a great time. She obviously loved the scenery, but also stated how friendly everyone was and how much she enjoyed meeting them. From my experience, this is common to all Cruiser events and the community but she rarely comes with me so it was new to her. Luckily at Cruise Moab, our groups rides didn't have any dogs off the leash so she wasn't dealing with concern/fear of the dogs and was able to enjoy the people. I am confident that she would enjoy meeting everyone at SAS, but feeling safe to get out of the Cruiser will be a key enabler.

Another aspect is leash laws/rules are seldomly followed without clear commitment to. My hope is to get a feeling of the level of commitment level in advance.

It was enforced last year by the campground, but also accidents happen, and some dogs got off their leash a few times I believe. My dog would behave much better off the leash than on and goes everywhere with me, but not here because don’t want to put her through that.
My impression from last year is the same as yours at CM, couldn’t ask for better people.

I’d agree with Ian above, when a fearful delivery driver pulls up they feel like they’re going to get ate by my dog, when someone not afraid pulls in she’s wagging her tail. It’s them.

 

[POTATO LAUNCHER]

I'll add that we are guests at the KOA. They have rules set for a reason and as guests, we ask that they be followed. Be it dogs on leashes, speed limits in camp or unruly behavior while on their property. It's not a huge ask, just common courtesy. We appreciate the KOA working with SAS to make our gathering more enjoyable for everyone. We just ask that you follow the simple rules.
All dogs, cats, bears, deer are welcome in camp. Just be cool and they will be cool.

 

[LDowney]

It was enforced last year by the campground, but also accidents happen, and some dogs got off their leash a few times I believe. My dog would behave much better off the leash than on and goes everywhere with me, but not here because don’t want to put her through that.
My impression from last year is the same as yours at CM, couldn’t ask for better people.

I’d agree with Ian above, when a fearful delivery driver pulls up they feel like they’re going to get ate by my dog, when someone not afraid pulls in she’s wagging her tail. It’s them.

Growing up on the farm, we had a dog with similar aptitude. She would sense when people were uncomfortable with her so she would project a protective posture; which she continued until she was told all was good. For others that were comfortable with her, she sensed it and changed her posture to welcoming without command.

Consequently, these types of examples demonstrate that it is incorrect to assert "It's them", i.e. the person, is at fault when a dog senses their fear but incorrectly react towards it with hostility.

You may want to consider your delivery guy's perspective. How many time has he/she been attacked or threatened with attack by dogs for just doing his/her job?
My solution when I was in a similar situation driving up to unfamiliar farms (picking up cattle or custom baling) was to slip a small ballpen hammer up my shirt sleave. It gave me a sense of security in dealing with new-to-me dogs that frequently reacted very protectively of their territory. This helped me in calming the dogs until they adjusted or were chained up. When that didn't work and the dogs attacked, I dispatched them. Not a good situation but a solution to a workplace/public hazard.

 

[raisinhell2]

Hmmm On leash . I looked on KOAs web site and yup it's right there. Sadly what exactly does on leash mean ? it's is not defined.. I beat the county on a massive fine years ago for this same issue . We were training a dog in a county park where "all dogs must be on leash" We were training him to search and rescue in a highly wooded area of the park . Some Karen, prob the 1 who owned the jeep with 4 million ducks complained and the rangers greeted us as we exited the wooded area.. Our dog was 2 steps in frt of us dragging his lead (what trainers call a leash). Yelling and screaming " your dog must be on a leash I said "he is on a leash" and asked them to show me in writing were it said the leash must be in my hand. There response was "You know what it means" I said "no I do not and my dog is on a leash. Until you show me in writing the leash must be in my hand I see it differently, Then I asked what if it were tied off to a tree? You're only stating opinion not any enforceable county ordinance . Thats when the cops got called. Game on I stood my ground signed the ticket like a nice citizen. They failed to provide a definition of "on leash" the court would accept . And Pinellas county Fl bought my my 1st set of 40s with what I won. I must have been a personal injury Lawyer in a prior Life. Karl, I'm shocked you didn't think of that last year .

 

[Broski]

I agree that it not clear in writing. But we all know what it means.
Sassy and my last Queensland both are on what I call a verbal leash. Stay right with me or Patricia.
IMO it all about attitude, I camp back by the KOA manager and a few employees Sassy was caught off leash A few times last year and I was asked to leash her and I did right away
End of problem and some even wanted to say Hi to her.

I know I know, I will do better this year

 

[RevISK]

Hmmm On leash . I looked on KOAs web site and yup it's right there. Sadly what exactly does on leash mean ? it's is not defined.. I beat the county on a massive fine years ago for this same issue . We were training a dog in a county park where "all dogs must be on leash" We were training him to search and rescue in a highly wooded area of the park . Some Karen, prob the 1 who owned the jeep with 4 million ducks complained and the rangers greeted us as we exited the wooded area.. Our dog was 2 steps in frt of us dragging his lead (what trainers call a leash). Yelling and screaming " your dog must be on a leash I said "he is on a leash" and asked them to show me in writing were it said the leash must be in my hand. There response was "You know what it means" I said "no I do not and my dog is on a leash. Until you show me in writing the leash must be in my hand I see it differently, Then I asked what if it were tied off to a tree? You're only stating opinion not any enforceable county ordinance . Thats when the cops got called. Game on I stood my ground signed the ticket like a nice citizen. They failed to provide a definition of "on leash" the court would accept . And Pinellas county Fl bought my my 1st set of 40s with what I won. I must have been a personal injury Lawyer in a prior Life. Karl, I'm shocked you didn't think of that last year .

Don’t encourage him

 

[cruiserdan]

Sarah is super careful when she has her cat out on the leash. She is ever ready to pick the cat up and put her in the pack when she sees a loose dog.
Sadly most dogs think that cats are odd-looking rabbits that need to be run-down.

 

[SoTexCruiserDoc]

Ellie and Molly are ready for the word to “truck up” for SAS. They will not bite you but we can’t be held responsible for uncontrollable kisses if they are approached

 

[raisinhell2]

I agree that it not clear in writing. But we all know what it means.
Sassy and my last Queensland both are on what I call a verbal leash. Stay right with me or Patricia.
IMO it all about attitude, I camp back by the KOA manager and a few employees Sassy was caught off leash A few times last year and I was asked to leash her and I did right away
End of problem and some even wanted to say Hi to her.

I know I know, I will do better this year

Agreed. Only reason it pushed back on that was princeable for how that ranger treated us. Unless we are on the trail and the barking and feeling out stage is done between the dogs I have to keep Teddy on a leash He fear barks at other dogs and his hair raises. Once he meets the other dogs and gets past his fear hes fine . Not sure if I will bring him this year or not.

 

[Ditcherman]

Growing up on the farm, we had a dog with similar aptitude. She would sense when people were uncomfortable with her so she would project a protective posture; which she continued until she was told all was good. For others that were comfortable with her, she sensed it and changed her posture to welcoming without command.

Consequently, these types of examples demonstrate that it is incorrect to assert "It's them", i.e. the person, is at fault when a dog senses their fear but incorrectly react towards it with hostility.

You may want to consider your delivery guy's perspective. How many time has he/she been attacked or threatened with attack by dogs for just doing his/her job?
My solution when I was in a similar situation driving up to unfamiliar farms (picking up cattle or custom baling) was to slip a small ballpen hammer up my shirt sleave. It gave me a sense of security in dealing with new-to-me dogs that frequently reacted very protectively of their territory. This helped me in calming the dogs until they adjusted or were chained up. When that didn't work and the dogs attacked, I dispatched them. Not a good situation but a solution to a workplace/public hazard.

I'd love to learn more about your/your wife's perspective and have a conversation, but around a campfire, not through the typed word! I won't get it right, typed. On line is a good way to make enemies, I'm sure we can be friends around a campfire.

I will say, as a farmer who has a drain tile business and am frequently on other's farms, if I dispatched a dog with a ball peen hammer I would fully expect to get shot and buried with my own hoe, so I'd love to hear some of those stories sans the gory details, but again, around the campfire.