Bolt on turbo kit

[jjdeneen918]

I ceramic coated my exhaust manifolds & heat shields. They look really nice.

So nice, that I powder coated my valve cover & intake manifold too.

 

[Heckraiser]

Speaking from experience, the only issue I had from heat (other than some design mistakes on my part) was the wire harness on the firewall (which had drooped from the factory location) got a little too close to the downpipe and got a little melty Had it been tacked up where it actually belongs, it would have been OK, but I tacked it up and heat-wrapped it after that incident.

I had a turbo blanket, and eventually wrapped the downpipe (more just because). But stock manifolds and shields. I honestly don't think it would make much difference in underhood temps, and probably zero difference when it comes to water temp. Since the turbo is off, I have confirmed that all my "almost overheating" issues were not caused or even worsened by the turbo. It was all the the trucks cooling system condition (stock radiator, bad fan clutch, muddy coolant )

@Qball, while I agree with your sentiment of empirical purity, I don't think any of these little custom elements that Joey is doing are actually going to give him some awesome temperature management advantage over a normal user like us. I would ceramic coat (if I weren't so cheap and lazy), just because it looks cool over the temperature characteristics.

 

[Heckraiser]

@jjdeneen918 and then you put your rusty bolts back in?

 

[jjdeneen918]

@jjdeneen918 and then you put your rusty bolts back in?

I was too excited to get it back together after HG replacement.
I figured they are easily accessible & I can replace with stainless later.

 

[Willy beamin]

I ceramic coated my exhaust manifolds & heat shields. They look really nice.

So nice, that I powder coated my valve cover & intake manifold too.

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and yet you put those rusty ass bolt back on? lol over looked that didnt you during your excitement!

i see some one already got you on that - my bad!

 

[woodsman 44]

I ceramic coated my exhaust manifolds & heat shields. They look really nice.

So nice, that I powder coated my valve cover & intake manifold too.

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All that nice paint and ceramic coating and...... rusty bolts on YOUR heat shields?..lol

 

[thatcabledude]

Copper bolts.. Cool!

 

[Qball]

I’m not asking or stating whether it can be done, just clarification on what is included with the turbo kit.

Would be pretty tough to ceramic coat YOUR manifold and heat shield since they are attached to YOUR truck. But all the information has been provided for companies that do that work if YOU want to have it done. Lol

 

[scottryana]

Right and I am saying how could he coat your manifold and heatshields when they are attached to your truck?

I’m not asking or stating weather it can be done, just clarification on what is included with the turbo kit.

 

[Qball]

@Qball, while I agree with your sentiment of empirical purity, I don't think any of these little custom elements that Joey is doing are actually going to give him some awesome temperature management advantage over a normal user like us. I would ceramic coat (if I weren't so cheap and lazy), just because it looks cool over the temperature characteristics.

I am not after purity of any kind(almost bought a LS3), I just want a good base line for the turbo when it comes wit thermal effect. Good old fashion troubleshooting approach is change only one thing at a time. I am an engineer and I work based on numbers and data, And accurate data can only be obtained in controlled setting with limited variables.

Fortunately @scottryana seems to have done some of the baseline testing on one of his 80.

 

[scottryana]

Not completely applicable to this thread but I did do a lot of PRE/POST on my setup hoping people would want to do something similar. I know my build thread is a mess but there is a lot of information in there if you can make it through the nonsense. I used a 173 mile test loop through hill country.

Well just so people don't think I gave up on this. Trying to get some "post turbo" numbers to compare to the pre turbo numbers but Texas summers have made that very hard.

So when I did my pre numbers it was 70 degrees out, tonight it was 90 so don't hold it against the turbo ha.

Pre numbers
cruise control set at 70mph going west on 90.
Outside Air temp - 70 degrees
Water Temp - 186 degrees
Intake Air Temp - 91 degrees
Small hills truck would have to kick out of overdrive to maintain speed.

Post numbers
cruise control set at 70mph going west on 90
Outside Air temp - 90 degrees
Water Temp - 190 degrees
Intake Air Temp - 119 degrees
Truck never shifted out of overdrive and felt effortless.

We did retune the truck and pull out some boost both down low and at the peak since we aren't sure how much the motors can take. Talking to the tuner big boost at low RPM's is terrible for the rods. SO we are at 12psi. Truck still feels completely different, passing is easy, leaving lights is fun! haha.

I am not after purity of any kind(almost bought a LS3), I just want a good base line for the turbo when it comes wit thermal effect. Good old fashion troubleshooting approach is change only one thing at a time. I am an engineer and I work based on numbers and data, And accurate data can only be obtained in controlled setting with limited variables.

Fortunately @scottryana seems to have done some of the baseline testing on one of his 80.

 

[Bambusiero]

Louvers - Thought to be needed because "heat rises".
Well, no, to be technically accurate, heat does not rise.
Heated air expands, gets less dense, and the buoyancy relative to surrounding air pushes it upward - if left to itself.
But, this is a forced air cooling system and the air is never left to itself.
The fan is always running.
New air is always being pushed into the engine bay, so the old air has to go somewhere else.
New air is very turbulently mixing with the old air, as well.
Where's it gonna go? Down and back, of course, where there's a great big free opening.
Aside from active mixing (dilution), the force of the engine driven fan is far greater than the force of buoyancy, by, I don't know, orders of magnitude?
Careful observers have tested the louver idea, many times over, and found it to be - no benefit.

This isn't the first rodeo for turbocharged 80 series Landcruisers.
Stop your handwringing and worrywarting.

 

[Qball]

Right and I am saying how could he coat your manifold and heatshields when they are attached to your truck?

Of course he could not, it’s baseline information for the kit and thermal management that has been put in place on HIS truck vs mine. Again, clarification on all the thermal variable/differences I would be encountering in MY vs HIS....baseline data.

If I have engine bay heat issue and the only difference is ceramic coating then I might need to invest in that. Or if the only difference is the coating and am running 10 degrees warmer then it would point to the coasting has the ability to reduce engine temp. As supposed to he has 10 things that are different than mine which makes troubleshooting near impossible.

 

[jjdeneen918]

Of course he could not, it’s baseline information for the kit and thermal management that has been put in place on HIS truck vs mine. Again, clarification on all the thermal variable/differences I would be encountering in MY vs HIS....baseline data.

If I have engine bay heat issue and the only difference is ceramic coating then I might need to invest in that. Or if the only difference is the coating and am running 10 degrees warmer then it would point to the coasting has the ability to reduce engine temp. As supposed to he has 10 things that are different than mine which makes troubleshooting near impossible.

You do realize there is a prototype LC that has been running this turbo set up for over a year, right?

Prototype rig doesn’t have any fancy coatings or radiators.

I think this has been beaten to a pulp.

 

[NLXTACY]

You do realize there is a prototype LC that has been running this turbo set up for over a year, right?

Prototype rig doesn’t have any fancy coatings or radiators.

I think this has been beaten to a pulp.

So utterly true. I think its nearing two years. But...its not exactly THIS setup. It was the pre-cursor to this kit and was just to see what could be done with all off the shelf components.

 

[Qball]

You do realize there is a prototype LC that has been running this turbo set up for over a year, right?

Prototype rig doesn’t have any fancy coatings or radiators.

I think this has been beaten to a pulp.

Yes and it would be nice to have some data points. What’s the highest temperature has it been in, hills? Boost? For how long? Engine temp?

I don’t get it, Why is everyone afraid of data? Yes, these kind of data does take effort but it’s pretty convenient for @NLXTACY since he lives in a hot place and has a stock rig. And all he has to do is keep it close to stock and take a drive.....he even lives on a small hill.

 

[NLXTACY]

I’m way too much time and way too much money and way too much data into this. I’m supplying the kit as it has been spec’d up to this point. I will joyfully let you, and everyone else really, acquire all the extra data points you like. I have way too many other things requiring my attention. I know I have gone above and beyond. This kit is done and on the final lap of production. Nothing is changing. Period.

 

[Bludozer]

I know I have gone above and beyond.

A legitimate understatement. I have never seen a company go publicly this in depth on any product they planned to release while simultaneously, legitimately taking into consideration all of the concerns of potential purchasers at the same time. (Why you did this I will never know )

If it were me I probably would've been like "ok, here is your turbo and your downpipe, figure the rest out k bye." This kit is incredible and while unfortunately for me, I can't be in on the ground floor, I will be ordering one as soon as I can!

 

[Bambusiero]

I don’t get it, Why is everyone afraid of data?

Personally, speaking for myself, I won't be afraid of reading YOUR data filled report, taken on YOUR time and effort, on YOUR pre and post turbo truck, under temperature controlled conditions. Quite looking forward to it, actually.

p.s. Oh, and I am most concerned about low desert test conditions. Please include.
...And I like to go to the high passes and mountains in Colorado. Throw that in too? Thanks.

 

[amgraham]

Yes and it would be nice to have some data points. What’s the highest temperature has it been in, hills? Boost? For how long? Engine temp?

I don’t get it, Why is everyone afraid of data? Yes, these kind of data does take effort but it’s pretty convenient for @NLXTACY since he lives in a hot place and has a stock rig. And all he has to do is keep it close to stock and take a drive.....he even lives on a small hill.

Dude, how much more data do you want? Scott posted almost exactly what you are asking for with his more rowdy setup (12 lbs versus 8 lbs IIRC for this kit) just a few posts up. Nobody is afraid of data, it just costs time and money to collect it. It's really easy for you to commit someone else's time to collect it when you ignore the fact that the man is running a business, keeping other product lines and production going, and dealing with all the BS that comes with CARB certification for this kit (which many companies won't do and just sell "for offroad use only"). Joey has gone above and beyond already putting together one of the most complete and professional kits available for ANY vehicle (IMO - I travel in a lot of different automotive worlds including BMW which some of those people are way more anal than any mud member).

If you want more data and don't want to pony up the money for it before then ask if anyone local to you who is planning to install the kit would be willing to let you test their truck before you buy your own. That puts the responsibility on YOU rather than pushing a guy who is here and present in the community producing killer products to do more just for your peace of mind (which it would be since you're the only one who seems to think that there is not enough information in all the threads devoted to this project ).

I’m way too much time and way too much money and way too much data into this. I’m supplying the kit as it has been spec’d up to this point. I will joyfully let you, and everyone else really, acquire all the extra data points you like. I have way too many other things requiring my attention. I know I have gone above and beyond. This kit is done and on the final lap of production. Nothing is changing. Period.

I applaud you for responding to stuff like this. Keep up the good work and I really do think that this kit is going to be one of the best things that can happen to an 80 and when I can pull the trigger, I will. In fact, I use this and a lot of your other products as a comparison for other automotive products. Just the other day I was talking to a customer about turboing a Nissan truck and I pulled up your website and the guy was like, "Man, I wish that guy made a kit for my truck!" haha.