Why are there so many FJ40's still for sale?
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Guess my problem is can't sell my 70 as patina. Would have park it outside for years and coat the back side of the rear sill with salt so it has to be replaced.
Or the 29 other states that require smog testing ...Nice truck. $56K worth? I dunno. I guess it all depends on how bad you want one.
I just hope whoever bought it doesn't live in Kalifornia
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That's better - I was getting ready to flame you, but you wised up.
The point is CA is by far the most stringent for smog testing. Even NY has a rolling 25 year exemption (though I think they may be tightening up). Most other States only require a scan test for OBD II and newer vehicles. AZ (Phoenix) and CO are bad, but it's only regional for those states.
The point is CA is by far the most stringent for smog testing. Even NY has a rolling 25 year exemption (though I think they may be tightening up). Most other States only require a scan test for OBD II and newer vehicles. AZ (Phoenix) and CO are bad, but it's only regional for those states.
Here on the front range of Colorado we have to do what’s called an IM240 test: simulated “street” driving on rollers. The tech watches a screen with a graph that shows target mph curve and they have to match that. It’s accel, cruise, and decel and lasts maybe 3-4 minutes. Before that begins they do a visual on the engine bay, check engine light, and the cat, although they’ve stopped automatically failing people for the first two. While the driving test is happening they of course have a sniffer on the tailpipe monitoring CO, HC, and NOx levels, as well as opacity. Three years ago they tightened the screws on the acceptable levels of those things and I believe it’s tighter than California now. We’re also now required to use CARB certified cats, which cost about 10x more than the “49 state” cats. Our cutoff date is 1981 and it is NOT rolling - it will be forever locked to that year. For vehicles from 1970-1981 there’s a two speed idle test similar to California.That's better - I was getting ready to flame you, but you wised up.
The point is CA is by far the most stringent for smog testing. Even NY has a rolling 25 year exemption (though I think they may be tightening up). Most other States only require a scan test for OBD II and newer vehicles. AZ (Phoenix) and CO are bad, but it's only regional for those states.
My 60 is a 1982, so I have to do the full simulated driving test - missed the cutoff for the idle test by one year. It’s a nerve wracking experience to say the least. Watching these minimum wage guys try to start the truck is an exercise in patience and while they’re testing and rowing through the gears of a clunky old tractor transmission, they nearly launch the truck off the rollers every time. You sign a waiver saying they’re not liable for ANY damage, and the employees aren’t paid enough to care about obliterating the teeth in your gearbox or shattering your clutch.
My 40 is 1969 so it’s fully exempt thank god.
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What year/model is that sticker from ?
What year/model is that sticker from ?
Yes, Cali has strict smog rules IN SOME COUNTIES that need it in high density metro with smog environments.
I applaud Cali taking a leadership role in forcing cleaner running cars and getting gross polluters off the road, now if only they'd crack down on straight pipe coal rolling douchebags too.
I have friends visiting Katmandu right now and they can't go outside some days for the smog. Like LA in the 60a and 70s.
For all you living in ultra low density rural areas it doesn't matter, but when you have big cities, and landscapes that trap air into smog, tough emissions laws are a necessity.
I applaud Cali taking a leadership role in forcing cleaner running cars and getting gross polluters off the road, now if only they'd crack down on straight pipe coal rolling douchebags too.
I have friends visiting Katmandu right now and they can't go outside some days for the smog. Like LA in the 60a and 70s.
For all you living in ultra low density rural areas it doesn't matter, but when you have big cities, and landscapes that trap air into smog, tough emissions laws are a necessity.
Agreed. And Diesel regs have gotten very strict, unless of course, you're one of the people issued a CDL and going 80 mph in a 40 Ton rig but can't read or speak English, but that's for another disscussion.
No one argues Automobile emissions Regs are bad. I remember summer days in Burbank when I couldn't even see the mountains.
My gripe is with the hammer coming down on vehicles that comprise such a small percentage of the vehicular pollution, in CA. Now, CARB's argument to counter that is pollution output of pre-OBD II vehicles is way disproportionate to their small numbers, and even smaller numbers if you consider pre OBD I vehicles (under 30,000) in all CA.
Leno's Law advocates did an EXTENSIVE study and proved BAR pollution stats for pre 1996 vehicles were grossly misleading based on estimated mileage and inaccurate emission figures (go figure), but the CA Legislature still killed Leno's Law purely because of Ideology - There is no environmental science to back their reasoning, particularly knowing if Leno's Law were adopted it would limit yearly mileage to 3K and require special plates.
FWIW, Leno's Law has been resurrected, but we'll see.
No one argues Automobile emissions Regs are bad. I remember summer days in Burbank when I couldn't even see the mountains.
My gripe is with the hammer coming down on vehicles that comprise such a small percentage of the vehicular pollution, in CA. Now, CARB's argument to counter that is pollution output of pre-OBD II vehicles is way disproportionate to their small numbers, and even smaller numbers if you consider pre OBD I vehicles (under 30,000) in all CA.
Leno's Law advocates did an EXTENSIVE study and proved BAR pollution stats for pre 1996 vehicles were grossly misleading based on estimated mileage and inaccurate emission figures (go figure), but the CA Legislature still killed Leno's Law purely because of Ideology - There is no environmental science to back their reasoning, particularly knowing if Leno's Law were adopted it would limit yearly mileage to 3K and require special plates.
FWIW, Leno's Law has been resurrected, but we'll see.
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That was always in line with my thoughts as well. I'd think that a Camry driven 15,000 miles/year is going to emit far more than my FJ40 being driven 900 miles/year.
Great to know @CruiserTrash that both of my 45’s are completely exempt now that I live out here. I might actually consider registering/titling them in CO w/ some early CO plates. I only wish they were the 1958 design! Or that I had an early ‘58 FJ25.
However, the cost to tag, title and register my car (2018) here was more than double that of VA.
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1979 fj40 that I am working on now. It has sat for 20 years and i’v had it for the past two years. This month i started on it. I have replaced all fuel system including new gas tank and pump. This week I have been replacing all the coolant and heater hoses. It’s pretty much all original including all the emissions. I should be able to fire it up this week for the first time. I bought it from a mud member from Northern California.@sogafarm
What year/model is that sticker from ?
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If you don't mind and have a minute, could you post a picture please of the inside of the Air Cleaner?
There should be a HIC/HAI (Hot Idle Compensator/Hot Air Intake) valve in there and I need to see what Toyota used - if it's the same as the 81-87 FJ40/60s.
The emissions manual shows a GM-type valve but I've never been able to find an actual picture of one. It's also plumbed differently than the next iteration.
I need this info to try and fix the HIC valve in later years 81-87 that is ALWAYS non-functional and causes the truck to run rich when hot.
Thanks very much
(red circled is what I need to see, please)
Can a 2F fuel injection upgrade (effectively desmogged too) with an added cat and 02 sensor be legal in CA? That would run better and cleaner than the factory carb with no cat.
It could be, but it's very expensive for a company to go through the CARB process to get certification, so most don't do it because it would add so much cost to end product.
Got it
So all these knee jerk regulations aren't based in reality.
How am I not surprised?
So all these knee jerk regulations aren't based in reality.
How am I not surprised?