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Mike,
I am by no means an authority on glass or Cruisers for that matter, but you may want to investigate SOR's list of side windows for the various years. It seems there are five different part numbers listed for the 40.

108-25-1 for 61-65
108-25-2 for 65-3/69
108-25A for 3/69-7/71
108-25B for 7/71-8/76
108-25C for 8/76-1984

I know from personal experience that 108-25A is smaller than 108-25B by 3/4" in both directions. I have no knowledge on the sizes of the other years, though obviously the early Cruisers had smaller windows. Here are the measurements I do have.

108-25A - 14 3/4" x 33 1/2"
108-25B - 15 1/2" x 34 1/4"

Last year I picked up a used replacement piece from Specter labeled 108-25B. When I got home, I held it up to the existing glass and saw that it was smaller. So small in fact that it fit inside of the weatherstripping. Not knowing what the deal was, I called Paul at SOR and told him my dilemma. After figuring out that I indeed had the correct top on my '75, I measured the glass I had and asked him what size it was supposed to be. He sent me the above measurements. Evidently someone had mislabeled this piece. He sent out a replacement. I now have one of each as he felt it wasn't worth shipping the first piece back.

Sorry to ramble on, and I don't know about your mounting system (OEM type weatherstripping or?), but you might want to consider two or more sizes.

Good luck with your venture!


:cheers:
 
Thanks Ffr the information. What I think im getting form this and from other previous information is that the actual glass sizes varied as did the moulding that retains it. But I think that we are also finding that we have same size openings in the hard tops for the glass when everything is removed. Are we agreeable on this?


PixelWrangler said:
Mike,
I am by no means an authority on glass or Cruisers for that matter, but you may want to investigate SOR's list of side windows for the various years. It seems there are five different part numbers listed for the 40.

108-25-1 for 61-65
108-25-2 for 65-3/69
108-25A for 3/69-7/71
108-25B for 7/71-8/76
108-25C for 8/76-1984

I know from personal experience that 108-25A is smaller than 108-25B by 3/4" in both directions. I have no knowledge on the sizes of the other years, though obviously the early Cruisers had smaller windows. Here are the measurements I do have.

108-25A - 14 3/4" x 33 1/2"
108-25B - 15 1/2" x 34 1/4"

Last year I picked up a used replacement piece from Specter labeled 108-25B. When I got home, I held it up to the existing glass and saw that it was smaller. So small in fact that it fit inside of the weatherstripping. Not knowing what the deal was, I called Paul at SOR and told him my dilemma. After figuring out that I indeed had the correct top on my '75, I measured the glass I had and asked him what size it was supposed to be. He sent me the above measurements. Evidently someone had mislabeled this piece. He sent out a replacement. I now have one of each as he felt it wasn't worth shipping the first piece back.

Sorry to ramble on, and I don't know about your mounting system (OEM type weatherstripping or?), but you might want to consider two or more sizes.

Good luck with your venture!


:cheers:
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Quite possible, as I recall the glass was held outside of the opening on my '75 by the weatherstripping. With a different seal a smaller piece of glass could sit in the opening. Again, I'm no expert and I'm sure those in the know will shed some light on my confusion.


:cheers:
 
just thinking: I assume you would like to sell these windows internationally as well? then it might be a good idea if we measure in milimeters instead if inches..., this way we can compare sizes from mud users all over the globe.. and we all should measure the hole in the panel not the size of the windows/glass themselves,
otherwise we are comparing apples with pears ( dutch way of saying ) :)
 
ok I know, I'm slow with this, but i did some measurements of the BJ44V sliding window, curious if they are the same size as the older style cruisers.

the size is measured in cm, with a google conversion to inches.
aproximately 85,5 cm width x 38 cm (with 1-2 mm space left om both sides) that should be about 33,65 inch x 14,96 inch


see pics as well
bj44v-window.webp
bj44v-window2.webp
bj44v-window3.webp
 
Wow...thank you! We are really close in size to the FJ40. The hard top window opening I have here is 34 x 14.25 inches. could I talk you into making a template cutout with cardboard of the opening and sending it to me asap? I am flying out to meet with the widow manufacturer on monday the 22 of this month. I am taking a FJ40 panel and an original Toyota sliding window form Australia. If i recieved a template from a BJ44....Icould try to have them make a model of window that could possibly fit both hardtops. Thanks!
 
yeah sure i would, although the next time i'll go to the workshop will be somewhere next week, no way i can make that arrive at your place the 22nd.. will it still be helpfull after that? just lemme know and I'll fix you a template next week.

btw, is the aussie sliding window ( i guess from a 42 LX) not the same in size as my 1981 bj44?
 
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Folkert said:
yeah sure i would, although the next time i'll go to the workshop will be somewhere next week, no way i can make that arrive at your place the 22nd.. will it still be helpfull after that? just lemme know and I'll fix you a template next week.

btw, is the aussie sliding window ( i guess from a 42 LX) not the same in size as my 1981 bj44?
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Hmm...yea it will definately be too late. But send it anyways. I can Use the information against the fj40 window opening and forward it on to them. Should still work. Thanks!
 
fwiw, c.r. lawrence was the manufacturer of the aftermarket sliding windows that specter was selling. they are the same company that makes the sliders on semi trucks. when i talked to them about ten years ago, they were not willing to sell them to other vendors, but any contracts may have expired by now.
 
nuclearlemon said:
fwiw, c.r. lawrence was the manufacturer of the aftermarket sliding windows that specter was selling. they are the same company that makes the sliders on semi trucks. when i talked to them about ten years ago, they were not willing to sell them to other vendors, but any contracts may have expired by now.
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Spector is still the exclusive distributor for them. At a staggering $410 a set, it is hard for everyone that needs a set to get them. There has also been a handful of folks that want something different than what is available...ie no tinting, better fit, closer to oem look.

My project on this is trying to get a set of windows available for around $250-300. No tinting. I will know much more about this after I return form my trip to the glass factory, and if my goals are even possible.
 
majojo4 said:
Wow...thank you! We are really close in size to the FJ40. The hard top window opening I have here is 34 x 14.25 inches. could I talk you into making a template cutout with cardboard of the opening and sending it to me asap? I am flying out to meet with the widow manufacturer on monday the 22 of this month. I am taking a FJ40 panel and an original Toyota sliding window form Australia. If i recieved a template from a BJ44....Icould try to have them make a model of window that could possibly fit both hardtops. Thanks!
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Be very careful about trusting cardboard for a template.

Quite a few years ago a cabinetshop I was working in needed some special glass cut to fit some cabinet doors. The shop owner cut a piece of cardboard for a template and shipped it off to the glass shop, several states away. When the glass arived it was too small. The glass slipped right through the opening instead of setting in the slot where it was supposed to. Turned out that the difference in temperature and humidity shrunk the cardboard template.

What an expensive mistake!

By the way. If I can come up with the money I'd be interested in a set of sliders for my 1971 FJ40.

Where at in Oregon are you?

Don
 
I am having sets of these made. Project is on a temporary hold because I have all of my money wrapped up in two other cruiser products at the moment. Im guessing im 3-4 months out to bringing a product that is a duplicate of factory dual sliding windows. Manufacturer has original oem sliding window to use as template. If we had enough guys on here to pre order we could have it done sooner but for now we are gonna have to be a little patient.
 
I think it is important to note a major difference between the two sets of windows being discussed here. The CRLawrence windows do NOT use the factory weatherstrip [or at least they did not on my '69 karma cruiser] but rather use an inner and outer 'sleeve' type mounting system.

It sounds like the windows that you are proposing here will require re-use of the factory weatherstripping. This could be problematic from the standpoint that some of the weatherstripping has become obsolete from Toyota, and if you start factoring in the cost of finding and shipping other weatherstripping, the cost differential may not be as significant.

I am NOT saying that I think this is a bad idea; I'm just bringing up a point that I don't see anyone else has discussed in the four pages of this thread.

Best

Mark A.
 
To Clarify......

These will not require the reuse of anything.....except your Hardtop. They will be a complete new unit inclusive of everything such as window frame, weather stripping, glass, latches, etc. What ever weather stripping needed for these will become available.
 
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