It is ok for people to have a difference of opinion. If the facts are not presented then you can further discuss or make your own conclusion. Just keep it civil with no name calling, that goes for everybody.
Skyjacker lift
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Which generic OME coil springs? The 850, 850j, 851, 861, 860, 862, 863, 863j or 864?
I guess by the same token, OME allows you choose what kind of boost you want, a supercharger or a turbocharger. Do whatever the heck you want, as they don't have anything to sell you to make it work.kwikrnu said:
So rather than share them to support your posit you chose to go back and delete them out of your post? https://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=181448
I have no interest in the Skyjacker springs but if I was looking for information to support a buying decision I would be hard pressed to take your "They are better, USA made and cheaper. I do know the specs but will not share them" over the experience of countless others with OME experience including some highly regarded vendors. The whole caster correction fiasco also would not give me any confidence in the advice you proffer.
why cant' we have one thread where only the people who have experience with skyjackers reply? why do the ome people have to step in? you don't have experience...don't reply. than we don't have to worry about which one is best.
ome's are fine the few times i've ridden in them. a very limited number of people have skyjackers. let them talk, even if the thread dies because no one does talk. i'm sick of hearing everyone bash any spring except ome.
my ome's are horribly rusted, as in 40 years of midwestern salt rusted, while the rest of the underside is only mildly rusted. for that, i think ome's have a serious issue and i am very open to other options.
so all you ome people stfu and let others talk.
ome's are fine the few times i've ridden in them. a very limited number of people have skyjackers. let them talk, even if the thread dies because no one does talk. i'm sick of hearing everyone bash any spring except ome.
my ome's are horribly rusted, as in 40 years of midwestern salt rusted, while the rest of the underside is only mildly rusted. for that, i think ome's have a serious issue and i am very open to other options.
so all you ome people stfu and let others talk.
if all you want is to hear praise of a single product without a counter opinion just go to that manufacturers sight, easy enough.
Like it or not OME is the most popular lift and the one lift that similar ones will be compared to. Since the original poster compared it to OME I thinks it's kind of ridiculous that mentioning OME is out of bounds.
I personally think that Kwikrnu has done the product and his truck an injustice by not correcting for caster. While that process focuses on getting caster right it does more for the truck than just aligning the axle. It also aligns the spring perches and improves the springs ability of carrying the load and dealing with load shifts like when emergency handling. It will also help in lengthening the springs longevity.
I didn't read his other thread so I'm not sure if he posted the hub center to flare measurement but I'm sure one of the two bushing choices out there would work for these springs.
If Kwikrnu ever decides to evaluate this I'd be happy to help and supply the needed press template to help make sure things are done correctly.
Like it or not OME is the most popular lift and the one lift that similar ones will be compared to. Since the original poster compared it to OME I thinks it's kind of ridiculous that mentioning OME is out of bounds.
I personally think that Kwikrnu has done the product and his truck an injustice by not correcting for caster. While that process focuses on getting caster right it does more for the truck than just aligning the axle. It also aligns the spring perches and improves the springs ability of carrying the load and dealing with load shifts like when emergency handling. It will also help in lengthening the springs longevity.
I didn't read his other thread so I'm not sure if he posted the hub center to flare measurement but I'm sure one of the two bushing choices out there would work for these springs.
If Kwikrnu ever decides to evaluate this I'd be happy to help and supply the needed press template to help make sure things are done correctly.
I had a pair of Skyjacker srings on a Cherokee. They did everything a spring was supposed to do. I will most likely go with them again, in part because I am a distributor of Skyjacker and OME/ARB wants too large of a buy in to carry their products. This is just my oppinion and everyone knows oppinions are like ..........................
Ige, with all do respect, the original poster asked "if one is better than he other", pretty hard to compare things if only one side of the fence gets to talk
I might be missing some other history on the subject... but for this thread I think all the posts are relative. I appologize if I got mixed up in the battle, but I'de like to think I have a bit of experience with the OME and even some mild experience with the Skyjacker coils. No I havn't compared the two side by side under a microscope, but I do have customers that run both, and I feel condfident in relating their experience. For anyone wanting to know about the OME coil specs, they are not top secret
http://www.cruiseroutfitters.com/tech_OME_coils.html
(There are some missing values, if your intersted I have them, I just need a minute to upload them)
Keep it on track folks.
The original poster asked if one was better than the other. I also see some posts that are in response to a certain member who makes comments about the skyjackers and others were requesting data.
If you have a skyjacker lift, feel free to post your comments.
The original poster asked if one was better than the other. I also see some posts that are in response to a certain member who makes comments about the skyjackers and others were requesting data.
If you have a skyjacker lift, feel free to post your comments.
The Skyjacker "kit" is only springs, which puts them at close to the same price as the OME springs. The Skyjacker's have only been used by a few people so we don't have a lot of feedback on them. With the OEM's, every combination of springs (about 5 different lift hights) has been tried and you will be able to get an answer as to what work, how much lift with what components, what shocks to use, how much camber correction will be needed. IMHO, for no other reason than the vast knowledge available about the OME's makes them a better choice.
Good luck. I didn't find any ( or little) info on people using other springs so I just went with OME. Hard to beat the price when you just get the springs and get the shocks of your choice. I went with Bilsteins.
Ige, with all do respect, the original poster asked "if one is better than he other", pretty hard to compare things if only one side of the fence gets to talk
For anyone wanting to know about the OME coil specs, they are not top secret
http://www.cruiseroutfitters.com/tech_OME_coils.html
(There are some missing values, if your intersted I have them, I just need a minute to upload them)
but it's hard to compare if you don't have experience with both. not one person has said one or the other is too stiff, too soft, sit's funny, wears out quick. instead, they say stuff like ome has better resale on this site. that's not a comparison. if kwikrnu would offer a decent review of his skyjackers compared to ome, we'd at least have one chance of an honest comparison. he's got a better chance of having ridden in someone's ome equipped rig and he's got skyjackers to compare them to. i highly doubt any of the others posting have any experience at all with skyjacker, therefor they cannot say ome is better. they can only say why they bought ome, which is easy enough to find in any other thread.
also, like klierslc, i'm interested in what downey has to say about their springs. what's the scoop?
Does it really matter? Didn't kwikrnu say (in a previous thread), that when he talked to Skyjacker, they were discontinuing the 80 series springs?
That's part of the problem. You need to properly set up the suspension so it's an apples to apples comparison. He's dug his heels in on correcting the axle for the lift so this isn't possible.
It would be nice to get an accurate idea of how they handle the weight of the 80 as well as added cargo weight. Then we could match them to the springs that we already know and have a better idea of what to expect from them.
While not every OME owner corrects for caster enough have so we can offer advice on how to set up those suspensions. We just need for someone with these springs to do the same. I for one am not comfortable recommending a lift solution without that info included.
And remind us of the benefits of cold rolled springs...
There was a long long debate that required moderation in the following thread after it got heated. I had to remove about 40 posts that were shall we say not productive.
https://forum.ih8mud.com/search.php?searchid=2640252
Let us not repeat that here.
I'm thrilled that we have so many options for springs. If someone were so inclined, it would be very cool to have a chart with all of the options listed out on it. OME, Skyjacker, Slee, FOR... who else makes them? Heck, include some of the wild 9" to 12" springs from those JDM cruisers that the Canadian folks are importing from Japan if anyone can get info on them.
I'm interested to know how the gangster lean that I've developed on my OME heavies is corrected or if it even exists as an issue on the other brands.
Everyone has a different application or perception. There are several out there who mix and match.
What happens if someone were to use OME shocks on the front, Bilsteen shocks on the rear, Skyjacker springs on the front, FOR springs on the rear and Slee 3* correction bushings in one build? Would the Moon loose all momentum and come crashing down to earth? Are there any advantages to a hybrid system? If I do something mix-matched, can I purchase the 'hybrid' emblems off of a rolled Prius and tack them upside-down onto my Landcruiser?
I'm interested to know how the gangster lean that I've developed on my OME heavies is corrected or if it even exists as an issue on the other brands.
Everyone has a different application or perception. There are several out there who mix and match.
What happens if someone were to use OME shocks on the front, Bilsteen shocks on the rear, Skyjacker springs on the front, FOR springs on the rear and Slee 3* correction bushings in one build? Would the Moon loose all momentum and come crashing down to earth? Are there any advantages to a hybrid system? If I do something mix-matched, can I purchase the 'hybrid' emblems off of a rolled Prius and tack them upside-down onto my Landcruiser?
Given what I have seen on my own rig lots of the JDM setups are for appearance only with limited driveability. This is the front 6" lift "assembly" that was on my JDM rig compared to a 6" Slee spring
just ordered skyjacker
I just placed an order for the Skyjacker. 4 springs, 4 shocks $334 total. I'll order the castor correction bushings also. My LC has over 160K on the clock and I like to load it up with heavy friends and tour the river above our cabin. We spend alot of time on the bump stops in the current configuration. Once installed and tested, I will give my 2 cents.
I just placed an order for the Skyjacker. 4 springs, 4 shocks $334 total. I'll order the castor correction bushings also. My LC has over 160K on the clock and I like to load it up with heavy friends and tour the river above our cabin. We spend alot of time on the bump stops in the current configuration. Once installed and tested, I will give my 2 cents.