Longfields with ABS.

[User Name]

Hi guys,

I'm in the process of buying an ABS fitted 80 and it's getting the front axles changed before I pick it up. Whilst it's being done I figured I'd try and get chromoly's put in (CV + axle).
We have being told that Longfields aren't compatible with the ABS system by a local aftermarket supplier. Can anyone confirm whether this is correct or not? From Longfield's write up, they should be able to work on ABS models just fine. Just wanting to confirm as it was a fairly reputable supplier that said otherwise.

Cheers

 

[Desert Dino]

I don't have ABS on my Pigi

But when I installed Longfields last week it came with new ABS rings

 

[jaymar]

Anytime you go to do a functional mod, ask yourself this question: could doing this cause other, more expensive or difficult-to-fix things to break? In the case of superhardened axles, the answer is yes.

 

[inkpot]

Every Birf I have worked on had a step nex to the bell for the inductor ring to be pressed onto.

 

[Dave 2000]

^ This. Only the very early birfs had no step, I guess ABS had not been planned for in 1986?

Regards

Dave

 

[nukegoat]

Anytime you go to do a functional mod, ask yourself this question: could doing this cause other, more expensive or difficult-to-fix things to break? In the case of superhardened axles, the answer is yes.

by this logic you should disconnect a few spark plugs and enjoy the piece of mind that low torque gives you

 

[User Name]

Thanks guys, appreciate it.

One other question; are RCV's the same in this regard? Can they be compatible with ABS/Full time setups?
Any advice from people running chromoly's with these options out there? First time foraying into the world of ABS (and I'd like to keep it) upgrading from a HJ61, so never stumbled upon this problem before but need to order a set in the next couple days and working remote with no phone during business hours!!

EDIT: will be running an ARB air locker up front so not too worried about breaking other parts.

 

[Desert Dino]

@jaymar The old fuse theory? That's total Wako
We had this debate with the Isuzu trooper pencil like steering rods, no dot do that OMG you will break other more expensive things (what??)
I did it with the help of good USA Independent 4X4 (Welcome to INDEPENDENT4x) bout a kit installed and forgot about it for 10 years not a single problem
The fuse guys that did that this almost every time

 

[ajax1]

Yes you can use rcv with abs or nitro or longs, you will need to pull your abs tone ring or get one for rcv, included with the longs

 

[shibubba]

As many people will tell you on here. Longfields just aren't the same as they used to be. Stick to rcv, nitro ( made by rcv ) etc if $$$ permits. Any axle you buy new will have provisions for the abs tone ring including longfields.

I just installed nitro's and had to swap my tone ring. Super easy with a brass drift. 30-24-30's. More than enough for my use and the nitro's have "rebuildable" birfs. Although I'm still questioning that since the cages and balls are harder than chromoly.

Word of caution with anything you buy that comes pre assembled. Check to make sure the snap rings that retain the axles in the birfs aren't broken. Both of mine on my nitro's were snapped when they assembled them. Had to install new ones from Toyota. They are easy to break if you aren't careful

 

[User Name]

Thanks shibubba. Yeah I have been doing some reading and it seems that a lot has changed since I last bought my set of longfields.. Looking at rcv's however there doesn't seem to be any distributor in Aus for them that I can see, and postage to Australia is as much as the axles themselves. May be a stupid question, but can the ABS ring be re-used off the factory birfs? The RCV's don't seem to come with another set to press on? Nitro's are available here, though they are another step up in price from the longs.

Just having a look through the RCV's and non seem to be available for full time 4wd?

 

[jaymar]

@jaymar The old fuse theory? That's total Wako
We had this debate with the Isuzu trooper pencil like steering rods, no dot do that OMG you will break other more expensive things (what??)
I did it with the help of good USA Independent 4X4 (Welcome to INDEPENDENT4x) bout a kit installed and forgot about it for 10 years not a single problem
The fuse guys that did that this almost every time
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If you make one component indestructible, and you then push it so hard that you would break the stock component, you have shifted the failure point and will now break something else instead. There's no getting around it. Now, if you never push that hard, congratulations and this will never happen. But people with 80s tend to push things-- and if you weren't planning to push it, why upgrade in the first place? I'm just saying, take this into consideration…

 

[shibubba]

What about terrain taimer? From what I have heard the birfs they use are made in Japan and are reasonably priced.

Alot of times people will say why upgrade if you're not going to use it. Well cost. Cost is the reason. OEM axles and birfs are way more $$$.

But like others have said. Why change them if they are in good shape. Pull em out clean them and inspect for wear. Maybe then make the call. I did mine recently only because they were worn and snapping I would have flipped them but they were worn both ways

Keep in mind also that 4340 chromoly is softer than what Toyota uses stock and as such they have somewhat accelerated wear patterns.

The reason why they are a choice of people who build these rigs is because 4340 chromoly will flex and distort more and not snap under load.

I think

 

[nukegoat]

If you make one component indestructible, and you then push it so hard that you would break the stock component, you have shifted the failure point and will now break something else instead. There's no getting around it. Now, if you never push that hard, congratulations and this will never happen. But people with 80s tend to push things-- and if you weren't planning to push it, why upgrade in the first place? I'm just saying, take this into consideration…

Tire traction is my fuse.

 

[jaymar]

@shibubba -- Terrain Tamer gets my vote as stock replacement. @wardharris can point you the right way on those.

 

[wardharris]

@shibubba -- Terrain Tamer gets my vote as stock replacement. @wardharris can point you the right way on those.

Thanks!

We stock both with and without ABS ring, also spindles and flanges. Available online and through our shops and resellers

43405-60070 CV Joint / Birfield w/ABS ring

 

[inkpot]

Thanks shibubba. Yeah I have been doing some reading and it seems that a lot has changed since I last bought my set of longfields.. Looking at rcv's however there doesn't seem to be any distributor in Aus for them that I can see, and postage to Australia is as much as the axles themselves. May be a stupid question, but can the ABS ring be re-used off the factory birfs? The RCV's don't seem to come with another set to press on? Nitro's are available here, though they are another step up in price from the longs.

Just having a look through the RCV's and non seem to be available for full time 4wd?

Yes, you should be able to Re-use the original tone rings on new aftermarket birfs. Press off-press on. We have done a bunch of them

 

[scottryana]

You're in Australia you have many options instead of the Chinese Longfields. RCV makes a strong component but I would find out what your fellow aussies are using.

 

[jehx]

Call the boys at Superior Engineering. They'll answer any question you have and won't spin you any BS. Great guys great products!

 

[User Name]

Cheers guys.

The axles need replacing due to a bur/wear that is damaging seals, so while they are out I'd just like to replace and upgrade them. As said above I will be running an ARB air locker and will be happy with a combination there as far as breaking points goes. Further down the line it will be converter to part time, just not at the moment as the axle replacement labour is going under a warranty job.

Sent terrain tamer and superior an e-mail. Have dealt with both companies before with great service. Superior only seem to stock (or only have listed on their site) the Longfields and Nitro's. The RCV's listed on all websites seem to only be suited for part time 4WD setups.