The LC 200 should command a premium and IMHO will not fall in value comparable to an LC 250. The LC 200 has many superior engineering features (locking diffs/KDSS, etc.). The interior is a huge upgrade. There is little direct comparison.
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Actually the LC250 has a standard center AND rear locking diff. Plus optional swaybar disconnects.
LC200 prices will come down once people can get the 250, that will be 2 years from now. I agree that a 200 is still a great machine and time will tell which one holds up better. But the new LC250 has the same width and wheelbase as a 200 with better outward visibility and more modern tech and MUCH better MPGs. It will draw many to buy it new vs a used LC at the same price. Just my 0.02
The KDSS on the 200-series is the oldest version out there. Even the current gen Prado (GX460) has an more advanced version. Center lock is nothing to write home about as every Toyota body on frame 4x4 has that.
That said, I agree the LC200 will still command a premium as it's a real deal LC. Not this watered own stuff. The new 250s may seem dimensionally almost as large but they are definitely smaller. The 200 has robustness in structure, bearings, all to handle higher loads and duty cycle these new light weight options won't compare to.
The Prado 250 is 4” more narrow, and has much larger fenders and fender flairs that add to the width. It’s going to be much more cramped on the inside.
Just remember, that $30k decrease in price has got to come from somewhere, and it’s not just cloth over leather seats.
Just remember, that $30k decrease in price has got to come from somewhere, and it’s not just cloth over leather seats.
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One sold on cars and bids for 65k, another one on BAT a red one 97 with a 3.4L single turbo with the T-56 swap done on it sold for 60k. Another red one in California was listed at 55k looked like the cd009 swap. Then you get some of the ones without a clean title V160 for around in the 50’s. Just have to look around. That’s just what I have seen.
The LC 250 is still not the equivalent of a LC 200 by a long shot. A rod to hold up the hood? No split rear gate? on and on. It tries to compete with the Bronco on a relatively affordable level--no shame in that, but the overbuilt velvet glove luxury of the LC 200 wins out.
I do not see any recent sales for USDM TT V160 cars on C&B at $65k for exception of few over 100k miles, RHD or the Canadian-spec car. The 97 car with 3.4 stroker is N/A chassis car with unknown chassis mileage. CD009 swapped cars generally never even surpassed $70k. None of these were "six figure cars last year". You're comparing apples to oranges.
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Overbuilt? Yes. Absolutely. Velvet glove luxury? In an LC200? I do love mine but it is far from luxury. A glove box door that feels like it is out of a Corolla. Wood trim from the finest Japanese fake plastic trees. Interior controls from a Camry. Fake aluminum plastic trim. Horrible rear and front cameras. Cheap cup holders front and rear. So not so good.
This is certainly no Bentayga.
At least Toyota makes up for it with bulletproof reliability and durability, which is all I have ever asked from my Land Cruisers.
I agree on the fake wood and plastic parts, but a comparison of the LC200 with the new LC250 will reveal that the latter will be finished at a lower level to justify the price differential -- bank on it. Apples versus oranges.
I would expect it to.
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I didn’t know that you see every single Supra listing that gets posted. So if you don’t see it that means it didn’t exist or it doesn’t happen? I never said they were six figure cars did I? 2nd I didn’t mention RHD either. Now who’s comparing apple to oranges? So no one sold a LHD TT V160 last year with 42k miles last year for 65k?
Yes back to the topic of Land Cruisers
Personally LC is cheap. GX550 is the one that is more comparable to LC200.
I don't judge the market by a "single" vehicle that gets posted.. but group them by similar condition, mileage, and spec. Unless the same exact vehicle previously sold for over "6 figures" and now selling for $60-70k, your original point is moot. But I really want to see these six figure cars that are selling for $60k, maybe you can provide a link? I'll PM you shortly so this discussion can get back on topic.
Agreed with @Madtiger, the interior in LC250 does look cheap, at least in base trim. Keep in mind the 15 year difference between the two and compare them to period equivalent models in 2008 and 2024, the first MY for both vehicles.
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Who really knows. The pre-covid and post-covid car markets are completely different (not to mention the changes in the rate environment). I have a 100-series (and two other cars). Do I think the prices of 200s are going to plummet? PROBABLY NOT. They will decay over time and various depreciation curves. The current price inflation on the LC200s IMO is due to the fact that they effectively discontinued the model for a couple of years.
The LC200 wasn't sold in massive numbers compared to a lot of SUVs such as the 4Runner, so there aren't a ton to choose from. Just like with the 100's years ago, the rusty beaten up 200s won't hold their values and the clean 200s will.
The real question that everyone has on their mind, myself included, is whether the LC250 and corresponding GX550 model will be 1) selling at MSRP or marked up, 2) reliable/built to the standards we expect, and 3) available without a crazy long waiting period.
Those factors will impact the pricing of the 200s. I'm watching and waiting, then in a year or two I'm keeping the 100 and dropping my other two cars for either an LC250 platform or used 200.
The LC200 wasn't sold in massive numbers compared to a lot of SUVs such as the 4Runner, so there aren't a ton to choose from. Just like with the 100's years ago, the rusty beaten up 200s won't hold their values and the clean 200s will.
The real question that everyone has on their mind, myself included, is whether the LC250 and corresponding GX550 model will be 1) selling at MSRP or marked up, 2) reliable/built to the standards we expect, and 3) available without a crazy long waiting period.
Those factors will impact the pricing of the 200s. I'm watching and waiting, then in a year or two I'm keeping the 100 and dropping my other two cars for either an LC250 platform or used 200.
I can tell you now.
1. YES, esp Toyota LC. Lexus dealers rarely charges above MSRP. Recently prior to buying F150, i was shopping around for 2023 Tacoma TRD Pro (not the new redesign). Never found a dealer that had more than 2 on the lot. And those available, dealer charging 5-10k above MSRP. With negotiation, NONE went below MSRP...and by MSRP, i mean MSRP + port add-ons. NONE went below MSRP + port additions MSRP. And i talked to 5 dealers.
2. No, based on what i have seen with LX600. Materials are OK. Transmission is pure crap even after software updates. Skidplates made by Fischer Price. Things are made lighter and thinner...for better or worst.
3. No. Lexus LX600 has a 6-12 months wait at least...and that thing has been out for 1.5-2 years already! Given that Toyota and Lexus dealer lots are mostly empty of new cars, the wait line will be around the block or two.
Catching up on the thread still but OK can i use this space here to just rub in everyones faces how right i was about the GX growing and the lineup stopped making sense etc, (and everything in general)???
Or is it too early to gloat? Hehehe
Or is it too early to gloat? Hehehe
Kendall Lexus here in Anchorage has four LX600’s in stock. No wait. They cold called me and occurred me $5k off the most expensive luxury one.
