Godwin's FJ60

[Godwin]

Brought the Mosely Motors 2F home yesterday, safely cocooned in plastic wrap for the next couple of months. The M416 rides smooth with a 700 lb load in it.

 

[Godwin]

I have been procrastinating on diving into the engine swap. This 80 Build - Anyone recognize this 80 - https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/anyone-recognize-this-80.1355924/ needed more maintenance than I had expected plus as I worked on it I decided to make a few improvements. Much of the last year has been sorting out this 80 but it's now at a plateau I'm comfortable with regarding maintenance or upgrades.

But summer heat, humidity, and frequent afternoon storms have been and will continue to be the weather pattern for a few more months. My shop ( ) is outside so nice days are needed to accomplish any serious work. To ease some with the heat issue, and perhaps light rain, I purchased a 10x20 ft canopy at Lowes, < $150. Now it's time to finally dig in and swap out the old 2F for a fresh 4.4 Cop Motor.

 

[Godwin]

One year later and the Cop Motor was finally removed from the M416 and unwrapped. @cruiserinsanity helped with this. Swapping a 2F could be done in a weekend, and that's what I keep telling myself. I also know that there will be a myriad of small items and details that need to be addressed. It ain't gonna get done in a weekend. I'll have a week off at Thanksgiving and I expect that will be the time that I really dive into this. Also over this past year a multitude of more important things have come up that have tended to push this to lower priority. .

 

[LazarusTaxa]

Curious why the Mosley cop motor over other options? Don't get me wrong, i'm in the "Anti-LS" camp and much prefer to keep toyota motors in Land Cruisers. But, for the price tag, did you consider other alternatives?

 

[sadovnik]

Curious why the Mosley cop motor over other options? Don't get me wrong, i'm in the "Anti-LS" camp and much prefer to keep toyota motors in Land Cruisers. But, for the price tag, did you consider other alternatives?

I am genuinely curious as to what alternatives you would consider to be equivalent to the Moseley cop motor? I may be in the market for a new motor in the not too distant future and would like to know. Certainly, if I just wanted a plain vanilla rebuilt motor, there are at least a handful of places I can think of. But for a souped up motor, I thought Mosley was the creme de la creme?

 

[LazarusTaxa]

1FZ-FE or 1HZ come to mind... I priced out a Mosley cop motor plus sniper and headers, and for a similar price, I'm expecting to swap in a fully rebuilt 1HD-T, which should produce significantly more power.

For example, according to Mosley's website a hi-power 2F puts out ~120 HP and ~166 ft/lbs of torque at the wheels. I believe that a 1HDT with 25 PSI of boost should put out 200 hp and well over 400 ft/lbs

 

[svsisu]

1FZ-FE or 1HZ come to mind... I priced out a Mosley cop motor plus sniper and headers, and for a similar price, I'm expecting to swap in a fully rebuilt 1HD-T, which should produce significantly more power.

For example, according to Mosley's website a hi-power 2F puts out ~120 HP and ~166 ft/lbs of torque at the wheels. I believe that a 1HDT with 25 PSI of boost should put out 200 hp and well over 400 ft/lbs

I'm a huge diesel fan, currently have a turbo 1Hz and I'm slowly rebuilding an HDT to swap in it's place. But finding a good HDT, or a rebuilt one isn't cheap, or readily available. Very different animal compared to a "cop" motor that is in hand. And switching from a 2F to the diesel isn't trivial, doable for sure, but not so plug and play, and I imagine the same goes for a rebuilt 1FZ-FE. Sounds like you are pushing your personal preference compared to what @Godwin is doing. You do you

 

[Godwin]

I started seriously thinking about a "new" motor for this 60 several years ago. The current 2F was rebuilt by a local shop that's no longer in business, and to their credit did a good job because this motor has just over 300k on it and doesn't burn oil. I'll probably drop it into a FJ40 after having the head reworked.

Back to the Mosely motor. At the time the only other shop that I knew of that was doing well respected builds was JimC and he's 600 miles away and busy. I'd talked to Cam a few times prior to getting serious, I'd also been following some of the builds that have received Cop Motors. I've been driving 2Fs for 3 decades, I know the motors, am willing to accept their shortcomings and have found them to be reliable and easy to work on. I'm at a point in my life I don't want to have to learn a new engine platform. This will be the last 2F I have built and I expect it to outlive me. Knowing that this will be the last 2F I'll do I decided to spend the money and have it done well.

I did think about a diesel swap but I don't know diesels. I'd have to find one then either assume it's good to go or have it rebuilt. Then there would likely be modifications needing to be done for a swap, for example any welding and I'd have to find someone to do it.

If I had known Meshal prior to having this 2F done I would have given strong consideration to a 1FZ swap, carbed, not FE, and with a manual transmission.

Two summers ago I did a road trip from Alabama to Arizona and back with the current getting tired 2F and really had no problems, sometimes slow but it's a an old Land Cruiser. I expect this 2F to be good enough plus some.

The carb that's going on it is a new one from overseas that JimC has already tweaked. This in another reason I'm sticking with the 2, I have a JimC carb on it and fires up and runs great even after the years and miles it's been topping this engine.

 

[WarDamnEagle]

For example, according to Mosley's website a hi-power 2F puts out ~120 HP and ~166 ft/lbs of torque at the wheels.

I don't think that's the correct interpretation of the dyno curves you are referencing on the website but I am certainly not an expert on the subject. According to Toyota's literature the stock 2F was rated at 135 Hp. I think the Hi-power 2F is around 160. It's still a modest gain but should be quite noticeable to have just under 20% more ponies. Probably much more than 20% if you're starting with an older, tired, 2F.

Edit: That could be correct "at the wheels" but not at the engine. Again, I am not sure myself how to exactly interpret the curves that he has posted. Google says you loose around 20% with a manual transmission and 4WD transfer case. 120 "at the wheels" with 20% loss would calculate out to 150 at the engine FWIW.

 

[Godwin]

Cam also sets up the 2F on a stand and runs it to break in the cam and lifters and check for leaks or other issues. When he ran mine he heard a slight tick. I couldn't hear it on the video but in the shop it was clear. He went back in and discovered a slight burr on one of the timing gears, corrected that, put it back together and retested to ensure that the tick was fixed.

 

[cruisermatt]

there is tremendous value in being able to bolt it in on a Saturday and only have a day or two of vehicle downtime.

 

[CruiserTrash]

am willing to accept their shortcomings and have found them to be reliable and easy to work on

100% where I'm at