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ATI - Crankshaft Dampers 101

OK, so I know you are not racing but after watching the belt bounce on a 4bt I can't but help wonder why they don't run the dampeners. I like what this article says about the flex of the crank, cast steel vs. forged cranks and the absorbtion of flex/vibrations. I have read guys saying that the dampener added to a 4bt didn't reduce the vibes but I wonder if there is more to it. Tuning a dampener?
I don't know if it is related but I wonder if the extra ponies you are getting out of your 4bt created extra vibes and took the pulley over the edge.. It may just be unrelated but I have been thinking about the advantage of a dampener on a 4bt and then you post this. A stock dampener may not really be what would work anyway..
 
sorry to hear about your run of bad luck....I enjoy reading / learning through your threads. Did the pulley shear off the crank or harmonic balancer...I've never seen a 4bt up close so I have no clue about their belt drive...guess you are in process of trying to figure out what happended..good luck.
 
Update

Thanks guys for the ideas. I haven't read through the whole dampener link yet but plan to. As for it being the thrust bearing it wouldn't hurt to take a look since an oil change is coming up soon but just to clarify this was the fan hub pulley that let go and not the crank pulley. I made some time to start the fix and see what got damaged.

I pulled the upper hose, belt, tensioner, and fan hub base off.

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The pulley did rub against the gear housing when it let go but it did not rub through.

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The center piece was still on the fan hub and all the nuts were still tight. The bearing in the hub is still good too.

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Cummins Northwest had the pulley on the shelf so I picked one up. Not cheap but factory parts never are.

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I had an accessory drive pulley also on that hub that I have no clue where it went. I wasn't planning on picking up another one right away (A/C project) but this was discounted so I grabbed it too. The accessory drive pulley is for a v-belt.

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I couldn't remember why I had stacked so many washers but when taking it apart it was because of the shoulder on the stud. I decided I didn't need the studs since I'm not running a mechanical fan off of this hub so I found 8mm x 1.50 bolts at the local store to replace those studs.

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I'm sure the surface of the hub is a clue to what was going on. You can see the center section where the piece was still intact has paint on it where the outer section where the pulley broke does not.

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I put it all back together and used red locktight on the hub bolts. I left the accessory drive pulley off for now. The belt had a few minor nicks on one of the outer ribs but overall looked pretty good after thoroughly inspecting it so I decided to run it. My upper radiator hose got minor damage but enough to leak so I needed to fix/replace it. My engine bay had that wonderfully sweet coolant smell that I had to wash off in the cold after I got it going.

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I did catch a little break when I found an almost perfectly shaped hose walking down the hose rack behind the counter at a local parts house. I just had to remove a little on one of the ends and it fit replacing my two piece hose.

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Checked my crank pulley bolts and those where tight, filled up about 1 1/2 gallons of coolant and started her up. No leaks and the belt was tracking straight. I did get my upper hose to collapse when revving and I did some burping but I'm going to pass that off as air pockets in the system still needing to be worked out and will check it later. It's not running warmer than normal. Now if this were the lower hose that would be a different story since that's the intake. My tensioner is squeaking like mad now so I'll take a look into that again next week. I pulled a yard of gravel yesterday and took it today to work and so far so good. So as to why the pulley failed...good question. It's just not a part you expect to fail and I really haven't heard any stories of them failing either. I'm guessing there were stress cracks in the pulley (maybe when it was running a mech. fan in the stepvan, who knows) and that it being extra cold the metal was easier to break. Could be something to do with heat cycling. In truth I'm really not sure why. Anyways it's fixed and back on the road for the next round.
 
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Who knows how many hours were on that motor and what kind of stress was on it like a damaged fan or if it had been wrecked/put in the rig you got it out of etc.
I read up on the vibe dampener and of course they are trying to get you to buy a $400 dollar dampener but I have heard a lot of folks talk about weird harmonics at certain RPMs and I wonder if that causes fatigue as well.
Glad to see it is up an running again.. Thanks for being so consitent on this whole build/write up. I'm learning a lot at your expense..
 
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Update

I've played with a few things lately. I wanted to get a bigger voltage spread for my TPS so I picked up an Autozone part that another 4bt'er had used with his 4L80 tranny. It's a sealed unit and uses a three prong weatherpack connection. I meandered through the junkyard looking for connections and finally found matches on GM vehicles in the early 90s. The TPS hook up has specific slots in its prongs so it mattered what kind of connections I got. I found the jimmy/blazer/s10 with the v6 had the connection I was looking for and I grabbed a couple of them along with the best looking TPS as a back up even though it's a little different than the autozone TPS. I made up a little bracket and got some rod ends to make a connection to the throttle arm.

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This got me from a 1.6-3.8v spread from my last set up to a .7-4.3v spread. The tranny map was off now and I needed to re-tune the shifting. Family was in town during the holidays and we went out one day to play (they brought a laptop). I found that most of the shifting was being done on a small part of the map and I figured it was partly to due with how I mounted the TPS. The TPS arm and the throttle arm travel in different arcs so I figured there might be some mechanical advantage going on meaning small inputs on the throttle arm meant bigger changes on the TPS arm. Plus I was getting a little binding during arm travel. I decided I wanted to redo my mounting so I didn't do any fine tuning on the map.

I positioned the TPS to try and keep it in the same plane. I tried a couple different combos between the TPS connection to the throttle arm and the throttle cable connection to the throttle arm and ended up drilling in a new hole in the throttle arm to connect the TPS to get them closer together. This seemed to be the best compromise although not perfect.

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I needed to relocate my return spring so I threw it on the other side of the pump and throttle arm and seems to be doing fine there. I get no binding with this configuration. After some adjustments I got the spread to .4-4.74V. I was able to get the entire range of travel on the TPS (0-4.74v) but the optishift controller needs to see at least .2+ as that's as far as it reads down and per the manual anything lower than .3 sets off fault with the TPS input thinking it's failed.

I suppose ultimately I could extend the arm on the TPS and remount the TPS so the arc paths match up even better but it's already better than I originally started out with so this is still an improvement. I've done some minor tuning to the map and am making small adjustments to dial it in.



I did another alignment since I was starting to get some wear on the outer blocks (indication of too much toe-in). I had researched without any real definitive findings that bigger tires need more toe-in. So what I did was take off my tires and set up my alignment bars with marks for a 30" tire (factory-ish size) and 37" tires to see what the difference was when making adjustments. First I found that I had way too much toe-in, about a 1/2" too much. I also found that a half turn on one of my rod ends equaled ~1/16" @ 30". So I set it to 1/8" @ 30 and that gave me around 3/16 to 1/4" of toe @ 37". I rotated the tires and having driven it for the last month like this it has made it an alright one-hander down the road. I am happier with this and may even try a half-turn less toe-in down the road to see if there is any difference. So it seems to me at least on my set up that setting alignment for the stock tire size and measurements will produce good results for an oversized tire. Naturally the difference for toe-in on a larger tire will be more than the stock size since the measurements are taken further from the center line.



I'd been running this broken taillight for 2 years and I finally did something about it. I broke it before I had made my protection. I didn't really care about having a factory toyota part so I picked up a driver front and rear lens from FJparts.com for a great price.

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They was some damage to the body when I broke the lens that might affect the seal.

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I pounded it out a little to make it a little more flat. Then I cleaned up the housing and rubber gasket that I reused since it was still good and screwed it all back together. My protection made it a little tight to get things in and out but it wasn't too much trouble.

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The rubber gasket seals better now.

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I had a chip out of the front lens so I replaced that one as well. I'll have to repaint my headlight trim this spring.

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After looking at those shiny new lenses I had to clean the other side so I took those lenses off and scrubbed them clean inside and out. I replaced any burned out bulbs and tested them afterwards.


I started thinking about my fuel filters and did some research, actually quite a bit of research trying to find nominal and absolute specs as some kind of comparison between brands and models. Basically a nominal reading is 50% capture and an Absolute reading is a 98% capture at whatever micron rating. It's more detailed than that but for a snapshot this works. I was currently running a Wix/Napa (3)3244 with nominal of 19 micron prefilter and a Fleetguard FL1251 with an absolute of ~20 micron as my main. Technically my pre would be a primary and my main would be a secondary filter in certain circles. All the common rail guys are really needing to filter stuff out so it doesn't mess up the pumps so those guys are after 2-5 absolute micron ratings. For me I wanted something down around 10 micron and if at all possible to have it step down from my prefilter to my main filter. My pre has a 1-14 (very common) thread and my main has a 16Mx1.5 thread so I had some options. I looked at Baldwin, Fleetguard, Wix, Donaldson, and CAT. IMO Wix are decent, Baldwin and Fleetguard are good, Donaldson and CAT are better. As far as construction I think CAT filters are the best but I had the hardest time finding any real part numbers. CAT and Donaldson have a factory together and I ended up finding a dealer just 2 miles from my house for Donaldson so I decided to try them out. Both are fuel/water separators and while it's not necessary to have two water separators I figured it wouldn't hurt.

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For my pre I'm using a Donaldson P551000 which compares to the Fleetguard FL1000 and the Baldwin BF1259. It is 10 micron absolute. As you can see in the pic that it's almost twice as long as the Napa I was running. If you are worried about flow through a tighter filter a trick is to get a longer one that has more capacity.

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For my main it got harder because of the metric thread so there didn't seem to be a clear choice. I didn't have to keep it the same brand but that was easier for buying/shipping purposes. I choose a Donaldson P550588 which is 3 micron @ nominal. That's the only info I could find and I'm hoping that its absolute is just shy of 10 micron. It is just a little longer than the Fleetguard.

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I filled those up and installed them. You can see that my pre hangs below the frame but it is not in danger of touching anything so it's safe there.

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Since I was coming from ~20 micron filtration I was curious if I'd get any starvation issues and there are none. Starts and drives like is has before.


Santa brought me a spindle so I'm going to make a rear tire swing-out. I've got an idea of what I want to do and I'll be redoing half of my rear bumper. I just finished building a lean-to off my shop so that I can have a dry place to cut and weld metal outside. I don't enjoy grinder dust on all my stuff so I plan to keep that outside. I also got a chance to do some snow wheeling two days ago and had a blast. I set my tires at 7 psi and did well for a while but then started digging in on one of the roads and needed the strap. We rechecked and I had 10 psi so I dropped them to 5 psi and that worked better. It was the deepest snow I think I've ever been in. Sorry no pics, it was night wheeling.
 
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I just pulled my VE pump apart to install a "366" spring, I also installed a new fuel pin. Wow what a difference it made. How much have you done with your pump?
 
Mostly typical stuff done to the VE. Some power screw turning, AFC wheel down a tad, Fuel pin (stock) set to almost the deepest setting with smoke screw adjusted, M&H timing spacer and a little timing bump, and the 366 spring. It doesn't feel like the pump is maxed at all, it's more like the turbo is safely maxed. I'm aiming to stay on the clearer side so I'm hazing right now on throttle hits but no billowing smoke-outs. Once I get the other turbo fitted up and controlled (he351vgt) I'll start pump tuning again. Then I'll probably get a fuel pin and some hotter sticks. My goal was for 200hp/400tq. I'm almost there now so the planned mods will easily put me over that. Right now I'm not really planning on going hotter than that, just getting it dialed in to nice quick power/ spool up as smoke free as possible keeping my EGTs acceptable.
 
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I really like how easy the pump is to work on.

I still have a M&H timing spacer to install I'm not planning on any crazy power either. But I would like to make 300 Hp at the rear wheels.
I also don't like the over the top smoke. Right now i'm sitting at 900* F on my pyro at full fuel so I still need to tweak mine a bit.
 
It's starting to look like I might need a head gasket. Slowly loosing coolant. It's not leaking out and thankfully not mixing with my oil either. Interestingly the radiator hose doesn't feel pressurized but I've only checked that at idle. I have not done a compression or leak down test to see if I get any hits with those. Power is still really good but I'll be researching for new gaskets and maybe some head studs instead of bolts. If my head bolts have stretched then I'll definitely replace them with studs.
 
Do you ever get frustrated???
You always seem so calm.
 
I have my moments just like everyone else and tools take flight. After I get past the initial suck and I'm in a position to do something about it the research starts and I usually learn new stuff that I didn't know before. I'm hoping for a good outcome and believe I'm catching this before damage is happening. Guess we'll see when I pop the head off.

So far a head gasket isn't real spendy (<$75) but converting to studs is (>$300).
 
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Good to know!!
I was thinking you're like the "zen and the art of landcruisers" guy and never get rattled about anything! :lol:
 
Pulled the head today. With a quick inspection things look good, I'll get a better eye on it in the light tomorrow. I picked up a head gasket this afternoon and am waiting on a phone call about the studs showing up. If they get here by Wednesday I might get it back on the road this week. If not it'll be next week.
 
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