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Just curious, did you ever run the Holset HE351? How does it compare to the H1C?
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I still have the HE351 and still plan on putting it on. It is substantially bigger than the WH1C I'm running right now but with the variable housing theoretically it should be able to spool faster and definitely flow better. The trick is if I can get it to light. So far I've pretty much maxed out the safe range of the H1 I have on right now. My head was ported during the rebuild, components were balanced, and I'm running the dynamic timing advance device along with pump tuning of course. When I move to the HE351 I'll get some bigger sticks to help throw fuel at it and play with tuning on both the pump and the turbo since I plan to control the vanes mechanically. The electronic controller from fleece is too rich for my blood so I'll try something else first.
The rear axle swap is first on the list and currently underway so that will take the funds this year. Hoping next year I can get into the turbo.
The rear axle swap is first on the list and currently underway so that will take the funds this year. Hoping next year I can get into the turbo.
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Called the adapter place again this morning, order still not complete but guarantee's I'll have a tracking number by Friday. I'm on my 7th week with them. This is pretty weak performance and has been my worst customer experience since I've started this project. If they didn't have some fine print ridiculous restocking fee I'd have canceled by now.
That bites. Amazing that places can stay in business with that kind of customer service.
On the flip side, I did grow to like that one Bogger on the front during the camping trip.
On the flip side, I did grow to like that one Bogger on the front during the camping trip.
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Yikes!!!
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Update
It's been a crazy summer. I've been doing little projects but just haven't been updating so I'm going to try and get caught up.
We had a trek planned to follow Route 3 on the Oregon Back Country Discovery Routes (OBCDR). Originally it was just a few and then it turned into a club run and we had a great turnout considering the kind of trip it was going to be with several days of driving and camping along the way. In Dora the whole family was going so packing needed to be planned. There wasn't really any hard wheeling so extra axle parts and such weren't really needed; extra food and clothes were. I quickly finished off my tailgate storage lid to help with places to pack and stuff.
Painted the frame and riveted the aluminum sheet to the frame. I wanted to used better latches but due to time I grabbed some window locks and screwed those on. For now they are working but someday I go back and put some better latches on.
I made the frame so that I would feel comfortable standing on the tailgate without it bowing and it's nice and solid.
The trip was great! The kids did really well traveling but the camping part was exhausting keeping them in check when trying to get everything set up/torn down and food made.
No big problems on the trip. Dirtgypsy's rig had a few adjustments since this became his shakedown run but nothing that a little tweak here or there that didn't keep him on the trek. There was charging issue on LC Freak's BJ42 but with dual batteries and minimum electrical requirements it didn't stop anything. We had 4 diesels and 3 gasser's on the trek.
Here are some pics of the trip.
First camping spot
We were worried about and did hit snow on the route that caused us to do some backtracking to find a way around. There were deeper drifts up ahead and it wasn't worth the time or fuel to plow through them.
And a little video to finish off this post.
OBCDR Route 3
More to come
It's been a crazy summer. I've been doing little projects but just haven't been updating so I'm going to try and get caught up.
We had a trek planned to follow Route 3 on the Oregon Back Country Discovery Routes (OBCDR). Originally it was just a few and then it turned into a club run and we had a great turnout considering the kind of trip it was going to be with several days of driving and camping along the way. In Dora the whole family was going so packing needed to be planned. There wasn't really any hard wheeling so extra axle parts and such weren't really needed; extra food and clothes were. I quickly finished off my tailgate storage lid to help with places to pack and stuff.
Painted the frame and riveted the aluminum sheet to the frame. I wanted to used better latches but due to time I grabbed some window locks and screwed those on. For now they are working but someday I go back and put some better latches on.
I made the frame so that I would feel comfortable standing on the tailgate without it bowing and it's nice and solid.
The trip was great! The kids did really well traveling but the camping part was exhausting keeping them in check when trying to get everything set up/torn down and food made.
No big problems on the trip. Dirtgypsy's rig had a few adjustments since this became his shakedown run but nothing that a little tweak here or there that didn't keep him on the trek. There was charging issue on LC Freak's BJ42 but with dual batteries and minimum electrical requirements it didn't stop anything. We had 4 diesels and 3 gasser's on the trek.
Here are some pics of the trip.
First camping spot
We were worried about and did hit snow on the route that caused us to do some backtracking to find a way around. There were deeper drifts up ahead and it wasn't worth the time or fuel to plow through them.
And a little video to finish off this post.
OBCDR Route 3
More to come
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Looks like a nice trip.
I'm liking the tailgate storage too. I need to do something like that to mine.
The wagongear option is nice, but a little too pricey for me.
I can't see from the pictures, is there a lip that the lid frame catches on?
I'm liking the tailgate storage too. I need to do something like that to mine.
The wagongear option is nice, but a little too pricey for me.
I can't see from the pictures, is there a lip that the lid frame catches on?
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The corners are enough to support the whole thing?
That's nice to know. thanks.
That's nice to know. thanks.
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Update
After the OBCDR trip I was talking to a buddy and he said his brother had a FJ60 that he wanted to get rid of. It turned out it was too good of a deal to pass up so I committed thinking that I could part it out. I didn't know if it ran or not. Creepersleeper helped me go get it (1.5hrs away) with his tow rig and trailer and we were happy to find out that it ran and we could drive it up on the trailer instead of having to manually winch it. It's been neglected, was used to get wood on the property, and doesn't idle but it's low mileage and a pretty straight body. I was going to give it a tune up, clean it up and return some shine to the paint but for now it's been sitting. Not sure what its fate will be.
We had a series of unfortunate events in July starting with a trip to the ER for my wife. She's fine but the rest of the month didn't get any better. Needing a break I was OK'd to ride shotgun on the McGrew trail run with Dirtgypsy. I hadn't been on the actual trail before so it was fun to just hang out ride along and enjoy Clint's Isuzu 60.
Hopefully Clint can remember what this plant is called but it's rare and the forest ranger gave a big schpeal about it.
After the OBCDR trip I was talking to a buddy and he said his brother had a FJ60 that he wanted to get rid of. It turned out it was too good of a deal to pass up so I committed thinking that I could part it out. I didn't know if it ran or not. Creepersleeper helped me go get it (1.5hrs away) with his tow rig and trailer and we were happy to find out that it ran and we could drive it up on the trailer instead of having to manually winch it. It's been neglected, was used to get wood on the property, and doesn't idle but it's low mileage and a pretty straight body. I was going to give it a tune up, clean it up and return some shine to the paint but for now it's been sitting. Not sure what its fate will be.
We had a series of unfortunate events in July starting with a trip to the ER for my wife. She's fine but the rest of the month didn't get any better. Needing a break I was OK'd to ride shotgun on the McGrew trail run with Dirtgypsy. I hadn't been on the actual trail before so it was fun to just hang out ride along and enjoy Clint's Isuzu 60.
Hopefully Clint can remember what this plant is called but it's rare and the forest ranger gave a big schpeal about it.
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As ironic as it might sound... I might be interested in the axles if you end up putting it on the chopping block.
Sweet pics!
Sweet pics!
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Update
Slowly I've been working on the 14bolt. I trimmed the bottom and would not do this kind of trim again. Too much work for so little gain. If I were to shave again I'd do a cut and a plate (ballistic fab has a shave kit) for a reasonable gain. Live and learn, mine's done now so I'll run it. Basically I did an aggressive grind on the lip, closed up two lower holes and replaced them with one.
With heat and welding I attached a long joiner nut on the inside of the housing. This was all measured a bunch of times.
I then had to modify the new diff cover that I got from Ruffstuff to match. After measuring, cutting, grinding and welding it's finished.
The lip needed some more material so that was added and a hole in the right spot was drilled.
With the cover done I cleaned the inside out and set up the pinion and carrier. I kept the factory shim for pinion depth and adjusted the collars for the carrier to get .008" backlash following the pirate4x4.com tech article. I was ready to move on so I got new calipers (I had taken the last set back that looked a little haggard) and test fit all the components. As is turns out I got a set of disc brake brackets that ended up placing the pads 1/4" off the rotor. I talked to Ruffstuff and they're sending out another pair. Those guys have been great to deal with! Plan is to move forward with the swap next week. I've also got my rear driveshaft figured out using the parts I have on hand. The front 8-lug adapters also finally showed up so I'm just about ready to run those beautiful tires sitting in my shop giving it a wonderful new tire aroma whenever I open up the door.
And then just last week Dora had a little mishap.......
I drove to work, parked and turned on the fan to aid in cooling down the turbo (pulling air through the intercooler) and smelled something funny. Turned everything off and popped the hood. Could get a slight wiff of electrial but couldn't see anything so I figured it was fine, shut the hood and went inside. Shortly after going inside I was running back outside grabbing a fire extinguisher on the way out. There was lots of smoke coming up from Dora's hood but I did NOT open the hood, I just unloaded the extinguisher in the cracks in the hood and wheel well. I grabbed some gloves from the back, opened the hood and yanked off smoldering hood insulation and disconnected the battery. The fire department showed up (911 was called per protocol) but I had it out quickly so they verified it was out and just took some info. As I assessed the damage I disconnected all wires associated with the fans.
Damage report:
Tested batteries with my multimeter-GOOD. Tested TPS signal-GOOD. Needed a new overflow reservoir-water bottle will work-GOOD.
Called my
to come pick me up and we went and had another pressure line made along with picking up more power steering fluid. I replaced the line, double checked everything else and started it up. Only system not working were the fans and I don't absolutely need those if I take it easy so I kept boost under 10psi not to blow my duct tape job on that coupler and made it home without incident. I took the rest of the day off to get to the clean up and further investigation.
ROOT CAUSE: power wires coming out of the spal fan controller were in a protective sheath (came that way) and those shorted, hard to say why but that's where it started and they were just about fused when I tried pulling them apart. Why the fuse on the controller didn't pop I'm not sure.
I pulled the hood off to make it easier to get to stuff and went to town with a scott pad and soft scrub. The hood took the heat damage with the underside loosing paint accompanied by the top showing a small discolored spot in the finish. That spot will probably flake away. For the most part everything cleaned up well. My dipstick was way too long anyways so I shortened that so that's good. I spent a couple hours on Monday at the junkyard looking for overflow tanks and reservoir lids and have replaced the power steering reservoir cap along with the master cylinder caps. I found an overflow tank that slid right onto the same mount (came out of a toyota celica). I put that one on the brown cruiser and grabbed the landcruiser tank since it was a little bigger for Dora. I ordered another silicon coupler for my intake tubing. I ordered another dual fan controller, just not one made by spal. I made a new TPS retainer cover out of aluminum to replace the melted ruler. Since it's a hotter week in the PNW I decided to leave Dora home due to no fans and take the other car. In all I was fortunate there was only minimal damage and it's relatively easy to fix
This gets me up-to-date and I think I'm ready for things to calm down now.
Slowly I've been working on the 14bolt. I trimmed the bottom and would not do this kind of trim again. Too much work for so little gain. If I were to shave again I'd do a cut and a plate (ballistic fab has a shave kit) for a reasonable gain. Live and learn, mine's done now so I'll run it. Basically I did an aggressive grind on the lip, closed up two lower holes and replaced them with one.
With heat and welding I attached a long joiner nut on the inside of the housing. This was all measured a bunch of times.
I then had to modify the new diff cover that I got from Ruffstuff to match. After measuring, cutting, grinding and welding it's finished.
The lip needed some more material so that was added and a hole in the right spot was drilled.
With the cover done I cleaned the inside out and set up the pinion and carrier. I kept the factory shim for pinion depth and adjusted the collars for the carrier to get .008" backlash following the pirate4x4.com tech article. I was ready to move on so I got new calipers (I had taken the last set back that looked a little haggard) and test fit all the components. As is turns out I got a set of disc brake brackets that ended up placing the pads 1/4" off the rotor. I talked to Ruffstuff and they're sending out another pair. Those guys have been great to deal with! Plan is to move forward with the swap next week. I've also got my rear driveshaft figured out using the parts I have on hand. The front 8-lug adapters also finally showed up so I'm just about ready to run those beautiful tires sitting in my shop giving it a wonderful new tire aroma whenever I open up the door.
And then just last week Dora had a little mishap.......
I drove to work, parked and turned on the fan to aid in cooling down the turbo (pulling air through the intercooler) and smelled something funny. Turned everything off and popped the hood. Could get a slight wiff of electrial but couldn't see anything so I figured it was fine, shut the hood and went inside. Shortly after going inside I was running back outside grabbing a fire extinguisher on the way out. There was lots of smoke coming up from Dora's hood but I did NOT open the hood, I just unloaded the extinguisher in the cracks in the hood and wheel well. I grabbed some gloves from the back, opened the hood and yanked off smoldering hood insulation and disconnected the battery. The fire department showed up (911 was called per protocol) but I had it out quickly so they verified it was out and just took some info. As I assessed the damage I disconnected all wires associated with the fans.
Damage report:
- Coolant overflow melted
- lids on power steering reservoir and master cylinder melted
- dipstick melted
- pressure hose going to gear box compromised
- silicon coupler on intake compromised
- hood insulation chared
- smoke sticking to multiple places
- TPS restraining device (ruler) melted
Tested batteries with my multimeter-GOOD. Tested TPS signal-GOOD. Needed a new overflow reservoir-water bottle will work-GOOD.
Called my
to come pick me up and we went and had another pressure line made along with picking up more power steering fluid. I replaced the line, double checked everything else and started it up. Only system not working were the fans and I don't absolutely need those if I take it easy so I kept boost under 10psi not to blow my duct tape job on that coupler and made it home without incident. I took the rest of the day off to get to the clean up and further investigation. ROOT CAUSE: power wires coming out of the spal fan controller were in a protective sheath (came that way) and those shorted, hard to say why but that's where it started and they were just about fused when I tried pulling them apart. Why the fuse on the controller didn't pop I'm not sure.
I pulled the hood off to make it easier to get to stuff and went to town with a scott pad and soft scrub. The hood took the heat damage with the underside loosing paint accompanied by the top showing a small discolored spot in the finish. That spot will probably flake away. For the most part everything cleaned up well. My dipstick was way too long anyways so I shortened that so that's good. I spent a couple hours on Monday at the junkyard looking for overflow tanks and reservoir lids and have replaced the power steering reservoir cap along with the master cylinder caps. I found an overflow tank that slid right onto the same mount (came out of a toyota celica). I put that one on the brown cruiser and grabbed the landcruiser tank since it was a little bigger for Dora. I ordered another silicon coupler for my intake tubing. I ordered another dual fan controller, just not one made by spal. I made a new TPS retainer cover out of aluminum to replace the melted ruler. Since it's a hotter week in the PNW I decided to leave Dora home due to no fans and take the other car. In all I was fortunate there was only minimal damage and it's relatively easy to fix
This gets me up-to-date and I think I'm ready for things to calm down now.
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Holy moly!!!
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Hopefully Clint can remember what this plant is called but it's rare and the forest ranger gave a big schpeal about it.
If my memory is any good this is called a Cobra Lily. I've seen them southwest of Cave Junction and yes they are rare. They have to be in a wet location as they need lots of moisture.
Your OBCDR trip and the McGrew Trail sure looks interesting. Some of the places I recognized, Mt Washington, the Three Sisters and Broken Top, etc. I love that country.
I've never heard of the OBCDR before so I looked it up on the net and saved the links.
Thank you for the all pics and video. I really enjoyed them.
Don
edit: I've heard of the McGrew trail before but never knew where it was. I just looked it up and it is not too far from where I've seen the Cobra Lilies before.
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I had a SPAL controlling a singe flex-a-lite, worked great until it shorted in the harness but didn't start a fire, it just killed the controller and would not turn the fan on based on temp, AC override or manual override. I had left the old system relay installed and was able to get home (113 degree day no less.) Ended up putting in a redundant system in with two sensors and two relays (main system and backup) and never had a problem again. Fires suck, looks like good bad luck....didn't burn the whole rig up
Yikes Man!!! Glad it wasn't worse..
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Bad Batch of SPAL Fans...Beware! - Pirate4x4.Com Bulletin Board
Might want to look at that link Mike.
Might want to look at that link Mike.