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Have you ever been to Sweden? Except for a few cities they are naturally isolated ... it's like saying the people on the Navajo reservation are doing fine without socially isolating.
Oh, as for Sweden doing fine? Their daily case rates are still trending upward right along with their daily death rates.
Sweden COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
Sweden Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
www.worldometers.info
Would the media ever highlight the images of a few outliers in an attempt to put forth a false image of those who are protesting this inane lockdown?
Have you ever been to Sweden? Except for a few cities they are naturally isolated ... it's like saying the people on the Navajo reservation are doing fine without socially isolating.
Oh, as for Sweden doing fine? Their daily case rates are still trending upward right along with their daily death rates.
Sweden COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
Sweden Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
Let's look at the daily numbers.
4/5 - 387 new cases, 28 new deaths
4/6 - 376 new cases, 76 new deaths
4/7 - 487 new cases, 114 new deaths
4/8 - 726 new cases, 96 new deaths
4/9 - 722 new cases, 106 new deaths
4/10 - 544 new cases, 77 new deaths
4/11 - 466 new cases, 17 new deaths
4/12 - 332 new cases, 12 new deaths
4/13 - 465 new cases, 20 new deaths
4/14 - 497 new cases, 114 new deaths
4/15 - 482 new cases, 170 new deaths
4/16 - 613 new cases, 130 new deaths
4/17 - 676 new cases, 67 new deaths
4/18 - 606 new cases, 111 new deaths
4/19 - 563 new cases, 29 new deaths
4/20 - 392 new cases, 40 new deaths
4/21 - 545 new cases, 185 new deaths
4/22 - 682 new cases, 172 new deaths
Where's the massive spike in deaths and cases that was predicted? Is their medical system overwhelmed so they can't provide treatment?
What they are doing makes so much sense. Isolate the most at risk, everyone else wash your hands and go about your business.
That said, it sure would be helpful to get more specifics around who's at risk and what the commonalities are among those who don't show any symptoms.
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Clunky, what you are missing is the simple fact people can be contagious and have no clue they are infecting those around them. While this isn't an uncommon attribute of bugs we have seen in the past, few of those bugs, barring measles, is as deadly as SARS is. If you smooth and plot the daily numbers from Sweden, they are showing a clearly increasing trend. Both new cases and deaths. That is hardly what you want to see when trying to control the spread of a bug.
So far - and this isn't over yet - in two months more have died of COVID-19 than have died in the past 18 months of the flu. The only reason we haven't seen tens of millions of infections and hundreds of thousands or millions of of deaths is that social distancing is working. If that isn't a "spike" by your definition, well, I am out of words.
ps: today, there are 39,500 new cases in the US. Of these, at the current death rate, about 5.5% will die: or 2,150 more souls will be gone in a few weeks: PER DAY. Another way of looking at it: for every 18 people tested and confirmed infected, one will die.
So far - and this isn't over yet - in two months more have died of COVID-19 than have died in the past 18 months of the flu. The only reason we haven't seen tens of millions of infections and hundreds of thousands or millions of of deaths is that social distancing is working. If that isn't a "spike" by your definition, well, I am out of words.
ps: today, there are 39,500 new cases in the US. Of these, at the current death rate, about 5.5% will die: or 2,150 more souls will be gone in a few weeks: PER DAY. Another way of looking at it: for every 18 people tested and confirmed infected, one will die.
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We need to keep the context in mind. This virus is going to work its way through the population. The whole purported purpose of the lockdown is to prevent medical systems from being overwhelmed. If it is possible to do limited mitigation that focuses on the most at risk and keeps the economy going at the same time, then that would be making the best of a terrible situation.
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Here's today's update from doctors working on the subject:
One month ago, as the country went into lockdown to prepare for the first wave of coronavirus cases, many doctors felt confident that they knew what they were dealing with. Based on early reports, covid-19 appeared to be a standard variety respiratory virus, albeit a very contagious and lethal one with no vaccine and no treatment. But they’ve since become increasingly convinced that covid-19 attacks not only the lungs, but also the kidneys, heart, intestines, liver and brain.
Many are also reporting bizarre, unsettling cases that don’t seem to follow the textbooks they’ve trained on. They describe patients with startlingly low oxygen levels — so low that they would normally be unconscious or near death — talking and swiping on their phones. Asymptomatic pregnant women suddenly in cardiac arrest. Patients who by all conventional measures seem to have mild disease deteriorating within minutes and dying at home.
One month ago, as the country went into lockdown to prepare for the first wave of coronavirus cases, many doctors felt confident that they knew what they were dealing with. Based on early reports, covid-19 appeared to be a standard variety respiratory virus, albeit a very contagious and lethal one with no vaccine and no treatment. But they’ve since become increasingly convinced that covid-19 attacks not only the lungs, but also the kidneys, heart, intestines, liver and brain.
Many are also reporting bizarre, unsettling cases that don’t seem to follow the textbooks they’ve trained on. They describe patients with startlingly low oxygen levels — so low that they would normally be unconscious or near death — talking and swiping on their phones. Asymptomatic pregnant women suddenly in cardiac arrest. Patients who by all conventional measures seem to have mild disease deteriorating within minutes and dying at home.
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Yes and no. Besides limiting numbers of needed hospital beds, there is a hope that this social distancing also delays progression in the population so that effective treatments and a vaccine can be developed. It is a bad situation, and trying to rush a resumption of 'normal' will just kill more people. Sure, it's easy to say that those deaths are a necessary evil, but are you volunteering to die so some Joe can make five bucks? I'm not.
I certainly don't have answers. But I know there are smarter people than me working the issues. And I have to trust those people. Kind of like driving, the easiest way to avoid problems is to move slow, brake early, and pay attention to what's around you. Not necessarily in that order.
ps: People mixing it up and rejecting the closures, I'm all for letting them do what they want: but they need tags so that when they get sick the doctors will know who they are and be better prepared to triage them in order with someone like me who at least tried to stay safe.
And then there are Darwin Awards being delivered:
Did Ohio Man Who Called COVID-19 a 'Political Ploy' Die from Disease?
John W. McDaniel of Ohio passed away at the age of 60 in April 2020.
www.snopes.com
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Snopes? People still use this site? They have their own internal issues going on. Who fact checks the fact checkers anyway? What other health issues did he have. He was 60. Most likely true however. I'm sure he's not the only one to have said something and unfortunately passed away. Don't quite understand the purpose of posting that one instance. I could find tens of thousands of cases where people have recovered from it...hospitals are throwing line parties when people are discharged after recovering, like they are cancer patients. I get being anti-Trump (which you so cutely mistype his name every time), maybe you want this to be as bad as it can get so Trump can go down, which won't happen. Plus he's not making all of the decisions, he's advised like every other president since ever. He gets crap for not handling it right, or not taking it seriously. What's he supposed to do? The media took care of the panic. At least he appeared to stay calm and say calm things. I have a list a mile long of the good things he's done since in office if interested. I believe its Navy Seals that say 'calm breeds calm, panic breeds panic', this from Dan Crenshaw calmly do an interview with liberal Bill Maher. Perfect responses. Gives people a real idea of the timeline of this virus and how the US responded as well.
Good to have opinions and love this country for it. But you haven't heard me tear into the left like I could easily do. But I think I first brought up the 'T' word in this thread so I made that bed to sleep in. Apologies for that. Back to virus talk.
Call me nuts but this is fun!
Good to have opinions and love this country for it. But you haven't heard me tear into the left like I could easily do. But I think I first brought up the 'T' word in this thread so I made that bed to sleep in. Apologies for that. Back to virus talk.
Call me nuts but this is fun!
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Exactly! Nicely summed up. Covid 19 is much like the flu in many ways, the fear mongers(media and left) painted it as way worse like a SARS which it is NOT. Knee jerk social distancing/close down world economy is in no way evidence based whatsoever. Poor decision that will string along a virus that could have been wiped out by now. America has been punked but those that believe all they are told don’t even realize it. Thanks for this.
The way you beat this is get exposed and build immunity. That is the only solution in the end. Isolate your elderly, immunocomprimised and those with chronic health conditions. The hopey changeys waiting for a vaccine have been mislead. We have been made to believe none of us have immune systems, insanity!
sure, go ahead and expose yourself - better you than me
I have numerous hospitals as customers, they have never been so slow. It was smart to be cautious, but it’s pretty clear that most of the country could get back to living and working again.
Exactly they have the whole country believing none of us has an immune system. Can’t wait for the “toe stubbing pandemic” guess we should all stock up now on steel toe shoes!!! Sandals will be banned!!!! Time to live our lives again folks
A couple Respiratory therapists reached out to me. They wanted a quiet place to unwind from the recent hospital stress. While out I ask them what they thought about Corona. It a virus and the care is the same as one with the flu
the bonus we get time and a half pay.
the bonus we get time and a half pay.
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Trump added: "I see the disinfectant that knocks it out in a minute, one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning? As you see, it gets in the lungs, it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it would be interesting to check that."
www.washingtonexaminer.com
My imagination tells me how tRump used this to light up his insides... not sure I'd try it.
Trump floats using UV light or disinfectant injections to treat COVID-19 patients
President Trump asked during his Thursday coronavirus briefing whether UV light or injections of disinfectant might be used to cure COVID-19 patients, blindsiding his medical advisers and unleashing a torrent of ridicule on social media.
www.washingtonexaminer.com
My imagination tells me how tRump used this to light up his insides... not sure I'd try it.
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A couple Respiratory therapists reached out to me. They wanted a quiet place to unwind from the recent hospital stress. While out I ask them what they thought about Corona. It a virus and the care is the same as one with the flu
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Where is that Phil and how do I get there?
Where is that Phil and how do I get there?
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Trump added: "I see the disinfectant that knocks it out in a minute, one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning? As you see, it gets in the lungs, it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it would be interesting to check that."
Trump floats using UV light or disinfectant injections to treat COVID-19 patients
President Trump asked during his Thursday coronavirus briefing whether UV light or injections of disinfectant might be used to cure COVID-19 patients, blindsiding his medical advisers and unleashing a torrent of ridicule on social media.
My imagination tells me how tRump used this to light up his insides... not sure I'd try it.
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Enough of your childishness, Control yourself.
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