Bolt on turbo kit (22 Viewers)
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It needs an intercooler. It’s hot everywhere these days. No half-assing. A quality rig needs quality parts.
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That guy with a trailer is me, eagerly waiting.
alia176
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Just playing the devil's advocate here; the folks in AZ are running the superchargers w/o an IC and getting away with it for years and years. Granted, they're running low boost, around 6psi is it? Not sure if an IC is a must have in the beginning and *should* help with keeping the price point lower. I like Scott's KISS principle. Once the new owner installs the product, he/she can find their own rabbit holes to dive into. I have a feeling that another entrepenur type will come up with a nice AWC type IN kit for this system that will end up selling like hot cakes!
alia176
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It's Tues morning here, coffee is wearing off and in need of some Turbo porn while I drive the mouse in my cubicle hell. Just say'n......
I think I've already stated this, but I'm hoping the interooler is optional. I know you guys were looking at doing A/W for packaging reasons, but I'm pretty dead set on A/A FMIC and I've already got the intercooler planned out.
We ALL agree that an intercooler is beneficial especially after 5PSI. But at the same time we know that SC doesn't come with intercooler and works ok at low boost, same can be said about the safari turbo.
If we try to boil the ocean then no one will get the kit done. Just imagine the arguments over IC placement on the 80, can't please everyone.
If we try to boil the ocean then no one will get the kit done. Just imagine the arguments over IC placement on the 80, can't please everyone.
I wonder if we can quantify the dollars of lost corporate productivity related just to this thread? I bet we're easily over a million by now.
SteelHunterFJ80
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Agreed. I want a kit that is well thought out but as simple as possible. We can always have multiple stages for those that want to go farther. That said I would pay a little more for a kit with an intercooler just because of reliability and longevity reasons.
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I definitely want the intercooler. Bigger the better. I'd like it to be water/air with a big pump and a big reservoir. I'm running the SC on my Tacoma and the intercooler Toyota included isn't big enough for extended boost scenarios.
We all need a little bit of "me" time to recharge the batteries.
The Safari turbo does have an intercooler for what it’s worth. In the statement above it sounds like it doesn’t. A-A FMIC
Coincidentally, if one wanted an A-A instead of A-W they could probably get the IC from Safari, as they still sell it for the diesels. Would have to research the fit and hose connections though.
alia176
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It's now 1:41 MST and lunch coma is in full swing. Some Turbo porn would really perk me up right about now......
I agree with @scottryana that the demand probably isn't there to get CARB certified- $18K and 6+ months. That sounds like at the very least adding $1K to every kit they sell just to please The Peoples Republic of California. Looking at it from strictly a cost perspective, making it easy to remove for CARB inspection makes more sense. I understand it would be a pain to have to remove and reinstall, but that may be the price you have to pay if you want this kit and live under the rule of Jerry Brown and all the other greenies in Cali. I certainly don't want to pay for it.
I also agree with keeping the kit as simple and complete as possible (with intercooler). I personally want a bolt on kit (as the thread title states) to keep things simple for my install. I know it was discussed a while back that the intercooler may be an add on and I think that could be a good idea if there are guys out there that want to design their own intercooler or put it in a location other than where this kit's intercooler will be designed to go. I assume it will be a very small percentage of the buyers for this kit that would design their own intercooler though- from the responses I read early on anyhow. It seems most interested parties want a complete kit. Unfortunately, it also doesn't make sense from a manufacturing perspective to offer the kit with the option of with or without the intercooler. If I was manufacturing it I wouldn't want to try to guess how many people are or aren't going to want an intercooler and then try to stock the appropriate number of units. Chances are you would get stuck with some unsold intercoolers and be stuck with them forever. With that being said, maybe they could accommodate Heckraiser and others in the initial run that don't want an intercooler by selling them the turbo kit without the intercooler and then selling only complete kits thereafter. Just a thought.
I also agree with keeping the kit as simple and complete as possible (with intercooler). I personally want a bolt on kit (as the thread title states) to keep things simple for my install. I know it was discussed a while back that the intercooler may be an add on and I think that could be a good idea if there are guys out there that want to design their own intercooler or put it in a location other than where this kit's intercooler will be designed to go. I assume it will be a very small percentage of the buyers for this kit that would design their own intercooler though- from the responses I read early on anyhow. It seems most interested parties want a complete kit. Unfortunately, it also doesn't make sense from a manufacturing perspective to offer the kit with the option of with or without the intercooler. If I was manufacturing it I wouldn't want to try to guess how many people are or aren't going to want an intercooler and then try to stock the appropriate number of units. Chances are you would get stuck with some unsold intercoolers and be stuck with them forever. With that being said, maybe they could accommodate Heckraiser and others in the initial run that don't want an intercooler by selling them the turbo kit without the intercooler and then selling only complete kits thereafter. Just a thought.
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Ugh you guys are killing me. So here are my ideas on intercoolers and you can tell me what you think.
So an A/A is mechanically more simple it is just a huge heat sink, but as we have seen finding room for it is tough. If you do it front mounted, you have to relocate the hood latch support and then you now have a warm/hot heatsink blocking air flow to the A/C and radiator, and people already complain about A/C performance and over heating. At slow speeds you might not be making a lot of boost so it won't be really hot but you still only have your mechanical fan to draw air through Intercooler>Transcooler, A/C condenser>Radiator and remember how important the foam seal is around the radiator for pulling air you should have some type of seal around the intercooler to keep the air flow through everything instead of just pulling air in from around it. Then not to mention the complexity of routing the charge piping, most guys hole saw two 3" holes in the front apron and then have a tough time routing the cool side back to the throttle body because your now cool air runs back over the exhaust.
Now with an A/W you have a little more complexity but the actual intercooler is much smaller and can be more easily mounted between the turbo and throttle body. The heat exchanger is physically smaller so it can fit on the passenger side of the hood latch support. You have a switchable electric pusher fan on the heat exchanger so you can actually improve A/C and possibly radiator performance when at slow speeds. Routing -AN10 or -AN12 water line is a lot easier than 2.5-3" charge pipe without cutting the front apron.
If you look at the first 3 pictures you can see some of the difficulty of mounting the A/A, the apron cutting the support cutting the last picture shows my A/W heat exchanger and fan and how easily it slots into the passenger side.
So an A/A is mechanically more simple it is just a huge heat sink, but as we have seen finding room for it is tough. If you do it front mounted, you have to relocate the hood latch support and then you now have a warm/hot heatsink blocking air flow to the A/C and radiator, and people already complain about A/C performance and over heating. At slow speeds you might not be making a lot of boost so it won't be really hot but you still only have your mechanical fan to draw air through Intercooler>Transcooler, A/C condenser>Radiator and remember how important the foam seal is around the radiator for pulling air you should have some type of seal around the intercooler to keep the air flow through everything instead of just pulling air in from around it. Then not to mention the complexity of routing the charge piping, most guys hole saw two 3" holes in the front apron and then have a tough time routing the cool side back to the throttle body because your now cool air runs back over the exhaust.
Now with an A/W you have a little more complexity but the actual intercooler is much smaller and can be more easily mounted between the turbo and throttle body. The heat exchanger is physically smaller so it can fit on the passenger side of the hood latch support. You have a switchable electric pusher fan on the heat exchanger so you can actually improve A/C and possibly radiator performance when at slow speeds. Routing -AN10 or -AN12 water line is a lot easier than 2.5-3" charge pipe without cutting the front apron.
If you look at the first 3 pictures you can see some of the difficulty of mounting the A/A, the apron cutting the support cutting the last picture shows my A/W heat exchanger and fan and how easily it slots into the passenger side.
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A/W please.
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And you're going to have to get to the back of the line, I would love turbo porn daily but it just isn't possible. lol
A/W x3
Yeah - Air to water fits nicely.
