Better recovery points for the 80?

[Nay]

Dat sure was alot to type just to turn around and delete it.

Worried about the kangaroo / marsupial comment.

How about a 800 lb. steer, dats a little different than a deer.

Hadn't seen Doug's previous post 'til after I posted...didn't want to be redundant...so reposted...

What has everybody on this board who as a) bought an ARB bumper, and b) has another vehicle, done to protect that second vehicle against a collision with an enormous side of beef? Of all the risk factors to be mitigating, this one seems kinda low on the probabilty scale...

s***, now I'm starting to get worried about my minivan...good thing I got those side curtain airbags to protect against grizzly bear attacks...

 

[reffug]

What has everybody on this board who as a) bought an ARB bumper, and b) has another vehicle, done to protect that second vehicle against a collision with an enormous side of beef?

The ability to avoid such a collision is my Honda is much more realistic when one takes its agility at road speed into question versus a 7K lb. truck.

Of all the risk factors to be mitigating, this one seems kinda low of the probabilty scale...

Now where I live brother. Nor in most of the farm country where cattle are kept and raised as I'm sure some of the others on this board can attest.

 

[Cruiserhead05]

After demolishing two factory front bumpers by nailing only small deer at 40mph i opted for an ARB.

One thing, after one is to argue so strongly about the arb and how it hurts approach angle, why be in an 80? I mean its lwb with overhangs front in rear.

It just seems that if its such a big deal, wheel a 40...

Just my .02

 

[Nay]

The ability to avoid such a collision is my Honda is much more realistic when one takes its agility at road speed into question versus a 7K lb. truck.

Now where I live brother. Nor in most of the farm country where cattle are kept and raised as I'm sure some of the others on this board can attest.

Fair enough. I've been out on open cattle range and it's not much fun at night...driving slow on an open range on the edge of a forest...800 lb ghosts in your periphery...

Of course, open cattle range usually means a narrow two lane road, and I'd rather be in the 80 so I can bail when that steer is blocking the entire road in both directions right around a corner...

80 (TLC) + 60 (mph) + ARB bull bar + bull = 95? As in wish you'd bought a '95+ for the airbags? Toto, I don't think we're in the Outback anymore...

Ok, I'm guilty. :shotts: Peace.

Nay

 

[Nay]

After demolishing two factory front bumpers by nailing only small deer at 40mph i opted for an ARB.

One thing, after one is to argue so strongly about the arb and how it hurts approach angle, why be in an 80? I mean its lwb with overhangs front in rear.

It just seems that if its such a big deal, wheel a 40...

Just my .02

Four kids. If you have four kids, and you like to wheel with your family, then there is no other choice.

 

[NorCalDoug]

Stock of course! What better platform to figure out where you need clearance and extra strength without spending a penny? Sucks spending a grand to figure that out. This is the aforementioned "has squat" approach, as opposed to the "spent $5K on mistakes" approach .

I'm not going to comment on the whole wildlife protection thing. Just 'cause you sold that to your wife (does her minivan carrying your kids have a bull bar???) doesn't mean it works here

I'm mocking up a tube bumper - in my experience, this is the best weight to strength solution (if you can properly triangulate in the space available) without going straight to those ugly ass pieces of stock that only cover the distance between the frame rails with a receiver in the middle.

Maybe I'll do it this summer if I can kill the stock piece sufficiently. But the 80 has problems - you really need to trim the frame back a bit to maximize clearance (again the non-winch perspective), and that's a bit irreversible. At least you can take an ARB back off if you can bear having to wrestle with that beast again.

Unless there is no good alternative, I personally won't run anything in the bumper category that a) adds a lot of weight, b) is relatively easily damaged, c) does not improve clearance, or d) all of the above. This is the perspective born of thousands and thousands of dollars of mistakes on a previous rig running fast as I could to keep up with the Joneses, who, it turns out, are getting ready to file for bankruptcy and then probably divorce .

The stock bumper only violates "B", and it is free to me to maul it. The ARB violates "D" at the cool price of a grand or more shipped. I don't run a winch, which admittedly makes these standards much easier to adhere to.

Seems to me that this is worth pointing out, and this thread is a perfect illustration (rock crawlers buying bumpers without front recovery points). The ARB is sold as a rock crawling bumper in the US, and people buy it for that purpose (and scare their wives with tales of 60 mph collisions with elk), and then over time many realize that maybe it wasn't so well suited for their purposes. This is an expensive lesson that people can but won't avoid, which is why I think it is funny. There is always somebody else in line...cash in hand... been there more times than not

Nay

For the record naysayer, my wife's "minivan" is an 80 series -- winchless ARB is currently in the garage awaiting a rainfree weekend for installation.

The ARB is 65 pounds. Do you think 65 pounds is a lot of weight?

Weak? I suppose we could argue that ad infinitum, but what would be the point? I think it's plenty strong. The parts I bent were on very hard impacts -- and they didn't bend much. As far as I'm concerend, it's strong enough for anything the 80 is capable of doing.

The ARB is a grand shipped? I guess it could be -- if you SUCK at shopping on the interweb. I know of plenty people who have picked up a winch-capable ARB for under $700, shipping included. You just need to know where to shop.

Build your own bumper -- that's kewl. Post pics up when you do. I have no problem with that. For that matter -- when/if you get around to actually making mods to your rig rather than contemplating what you'd like to do, post up a few pics -- that might contribute more to a discussion that your bashing people for what they've done. Or is it simply that your wife won't let you make any mods to her cruiser?

Admit it -- you're just jonesing to get out of the minivan and into her cruiser.

 

[Romer]

Nay - as a fellow Coloradoan, I suggest you put the shovel down and climb out of the hole. Don't try and explain it anymore, just back away.

 

[Nay]

Build your own bumper -- that's kewl. Post pics up when you do. I have no problem with that. For that matter -- when/if you get around to actually making mods to your rig rather than contemplating what you'd like to do, post up a few pics -- that might contribute more to a discussion that your bashing people for what they've done. Or is it simply that your wife won't let you make any mods to her cruiser?

No, it's mine, although the minivan is a lot nicer to drive, a lot faster, and I can't say I am anymore cool just because I drive the 80.

I won't let myself do any mods to the 80 right now - not playing dominoes until I can find a real need to do it. I'd like to prototype the prerunner, but it has to come with the frame work (same for the rear bumper). If I can convince myself to do it, I'll post pics of the entire thing for sure. If I can convince somebody else to do it and perfect the design, well...that's the point...

Arms getting tired :shotts:

 

[Beowulf]

Nay - as a fellow Coloradoan, I suggest you put the shovel down and climb out of the hole. Don't try and explain it anymore, just back away.

Nay appears to be one of those guys like Shotts that just likes to hear himself talk and will argue either side of an issue; makes no difference to him so long as he can get something stirred up.

-B-

 

[reffug]

Nay Nay my fellow IH8MUDites

we will not go quietly into that good night

rage rage against the dying of the light.

 

[firetruck41]

Unless there is no good alternative, I personally won't run anything in the bumper category that a) adds a lot of weight, b) is relatively easily damaged, c) does not improve clearance, or d) all of the above.

I'd rather have plastic to scratch, bend, and spring back into shape.

Nay, how do your rules about bumpers square with the fact that you would rather have plastic thet bends and pops back, than that darn metal. I guess it makes sense, by your "rules", you could make a hell of a bumper with a rubber band.

What has everybody on this board who as a) bought an ARB bumper, and b) has another vehicle, done to protect that second vehicle against a collision with an enormous side of beef? Of all the risk factors to be mitigating, this one seems kinda low on the probabilty scale...

Are you implying that because you can easily and cheaply buy a good comercially available bumper (ARB) that offers more protection than the stock 80 bumper, that you should not buy said bumper because you there is no such commercially available bumper for a minivan?

I don't think ScottM would have rather had an OEM bumper on his 80 when he drove into a crane on the side of the freeway. ScottM was going ~60+mph, as he never braked, as he drove head on into the heavy equipment. I know his brother IdahoDoug, after getting a very good look at the crash site and vehicle feels that it is a strong possibility that he may no longer have his brother on this earth, if it weren't for that ARB bumper. Neither of them are in ARBs marketing department that I know of.

 

[loquito]

How about a Honda?

https://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=50707

Or this link for ARB v Coke truck.

http://www.george4wd.taskled.com/coke.html

 

[loquito]

a collision with an enormous side of beef? Of all the risk factors to be mitigating, this one seems kinda low on the probabilty scale...

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We have very large moose who insist on sharing the road and sometimes will not get out of the road. Also there is a dispreportianat (sp) number of drunks to contend with in my area.