4WD not working

[LINUS]

Wow - just caught up on this.
I'll bet we see all sorts of funky stuff in the next few years as often as the "bought when cheap & maintained even cheaper"-crowd gives up their 80's.


That Ebay short side setup doesn't seem like money well spent.
I'd get the right gen birf & a new inner shaft rather than buy his problems keeping a axle seal....sealing on that.

Inner axle shafts are relatively cheap OEM - and a cheap new Ebay birf lets you use your drive plate & you don't have a Mickey Moused setup because you cheaped out.

Keep in mind you need to order a new C clip for the birf (look at your other side) - I don't recall them in a front axle service kit, and weren't included with a birf.

Do it with parts from either cruiserparts.com , or Jason @arcteryx - either place will have good used parts, and if you buy the right parts, and start with a front axle service kit, you can knock out having a stout axle in a weekend & check the box for baselining the axle. Don't Mickey the setup, long term you'll be happier not having to remember your "custom" work.

 

[BILT4ME]

I bought new RCV brand axle assemblies from Slee. Relatively inexpensive for my DD, but I didn't go the rock crawler thing. Mine's mostly a Mall Crawler. I rebuilt both sides at the same time and did a kit from Cruiser Outfitters. In 30K miles, I'm very happy. Just remember to clean out and extend your front axle breather. I didn't and ended up w/ birf soup because of it. Fixed the breather and it "fixed" my seals issue.......

 

[SmokingRocks]

This gentleman tells me that this part will work for my 96 LC if I also change the drive flange (which he also has). My truck has front lockers. Does this sound like a good idea?

I want to get this done and not be driving it possibly causing more damage. I locked the CDL pulled the fuse, put if back in H and it drives like a normal vehicle. Where before it was very slow to start. I thought 1st gear was going.

You were moving forward due to the VC action. So thats working.

 

[LINUS]

I had a bad feeling & looks like I'm right -

You're missing the driver's side correct? -based on your post of a birf end in a caption that was your passenger's side-

You're missing the long side inner shaft, not the Ebay sellers' used & roached (I say that as I am betting you don't own a mill & welder to resurface that shaft seal land, and you **should** have (99% positive) your short side / passenger side --has a shaft in there.

The only thing that auction has for you is a shorter shafted birf, not the right one you should be buying. So a wrong shaft & a wrong size birf. $100 & S/H down the drain.

Just wanted to add that as when you slide under your 80 it's real obvious the long & short sides of the front axle (USDM pass=short , driver=long).

Especially since this is all somewhat newer-ish to you (not knocking, we all start somewhere) - I highly recommend the 2 prior used parts vendors, or Kurt or Onur for new OE parts. You'll not be steered wrong by any of the 4 vendors so really it'll save you money long term as all parts you buy will fit your existing situational problems.

D/L a copy of the '96 FSM - you can follow it alone or offer up to buy beer & pizza for a local who will come help you, make a Cruiser buddy - you'll find you want to run a few trails & he/she will be your "go to" person there. Just a suggestion, it's like having a buddy w/ a common interest

 

[aae42]

make a Cruiser buddy - you'll find you want to run a few trails & he/she will be your "go to" person there. Just a suggestion, it's like having a buddy w/ a common interest

where does one find a "she" cruiser buddy to help wrench


p.s. don't tell my wife i'm asking

 

[LINUS]

J date. Maybe Ashley Madison.

But Ashley will tell your wife for you if you don't pay the bribe

 

[Blade 80LC]

This gentleman tells me that this part will work for my 96 LC if I also change the drive flange (which he also has). My truck has front lockers. Does this sound like a good idea?

I want to get this done and not be driving it possibly causing more damage. I locked the CDL pulled the fuse, put if back in H and it drives like a normal vehicle. Where before it was very slow to start. I thought 1st gear was going.

To be clear, the eBay item is not mine. I have no affiliation with the seller. I see the seller has a driver side axle and birf for the same $100 plus $50 S&H. I don't see that it says it is from a Toyota. It could be new or used from China for all I know. I agree that it is not the direction I'd go. I was merely pointing out an option to someone who purchased an 80 and said the price of fixing it "right" was enough that he planned to sell the rig. Assuming he discloses what is going on in his front end, Rhino5000 would take a bath on the sales price of his truck. Buying a birf and axle of unknown quality might be a better option than selling a truck advertised as a 3 wheel drive.

So again ...I'm not saying a $150 axle and birf is a good or wise choice. I won't even confirm it's the lowest price axle and birf on eBay. It's just the cheapest I saw. In fact I thought I saw a Chinesium axle and birf on eBay for about half that price a year ago. Half the price might be a better, or a worse deal.

 

[Tools R Us]

Remove the tissue paper and see if the axle is in there? If so, could buy one of the cheap birfs?

Amazon.com: FEBEST 0110-030 Outer CV Joint: Automotive

 

[Blade 80LC]

Remove the tissue paper and see if the axle is in there? If so, could buy one of the cheap birfs?

Amazon.com: FEBEST 0110-030 Outer CV Joint: Automotive

That's the one I tried to find last night. It's even genuine Febest quality!

*Genuine Febest quality is not a top recommendation.

 

[LINUS]

@Blade 80LC - not sure if the defensive comment was made about my post - I get you if you were just trying to help the guy, not trying to flame you -

Bottomline the auction link I saw was a bunch of parts not applicable to the OP's issue of missing parts, that's all.

Either way I'm just trying to help the poster find parts to fix whatever the P.O. "deleted" from his powertrain - none of my comments were a slant against you. I hope you weren't seeing them as such pointed at your comment/posts. If you did, I didn't mean my posts as anything but help for his situation.

 

[Sarmajor]

The first thing to do is find out what else is missing or broken in there. Seems pretty clear from the discussion so far that the truck has only been mobile due to the action of the VC and that probably won't continue forever.
If the end is broken off the birfield and the axle is still in there a new birfield and some grease and seals will sort it out. Hopefully the spindle and bushing are OK.
If the birfield is not there then the axle won't be there either. It simply can't live in the axle without the birfield to support the outboard end.
I agree with Mr Tools, that pulling the tissue or rag out and having a look into the hole is the next best step.

 

[Blade 80LC]

@Blade 80LC - not sure if the defensive comment was made about my post - I get you if you were just trying to help the guy, not trying to flame you -

Bottomline the auction link I saw was a bunch of parts not applicable to the OP's issue of missing parts, that's all.

Either way I'm just trying to help the poster find parts to fix whatever the P.O. "deleted" from his powertrain - none of my comments were a slant against you. I hope you weren't seeing them as such pointed at your comment/posts. If you did, I didn't mean my posts as anything but help for his situation.

Mostly I wanted it clear that I had no knowledge about the quality of the parts in the eBay ad I posted. The OP said "This gentleman tells me...." and quoted my post. I wanted it clear that the gentleman was the seller on eBay, not something I told him. Of course I was also feeling defensive about having given a link to the wrong part on ebay. In the thread I recalled a post about "looked at the passenger side and saw this", but then post a picture of a drive flange with an axle in it. OEM Toyota Land Cruiser Fzj80 Front Axle Shaft Long Side Left is an eBay ad for a driver's side axle.

I'm also feeling a bit defensive for my first post in the thread which basically came off like the OP was a total noob. A common mistake since he has a low post count, but it turns out a person can be new to this forum, and still know something about trucks and driving in snow. Similarly, just because I have a few hundred posts on Mud, doesn't mean I know much. It just means I like sharing my opinions. ...so yes, @LINUS I thought you had attacked me, but rereading your post see that you did not. You had only pointed out (very correctly) that the "help" I'd offered would have been for the wrong part.

When I looked in the classified section on Mud, I see @Rhino5000 is responding to ads for axles. I think it's fair to say a seller on Mud is more likely to be honest than a seller on eBay. It's also worth mentioning that just because an ad is on Mud, does not guarantee an honest transaction.

 

[Rhino5000]

Hey guys thanks again for the support and help.

When i locked the CDL and put back in H the vehicle drives like a new truck, which is great, but I'm concerned about causing damage. I greased up the drive shafts and the filler plug for front diff is super stuborn. 24mm grabs, but 23mm is too small. Wondering if PO put a plug in thats standard size.

I went to pull the paper towls out of the axle canal, flange and it went forever to see if part of the birfs in there. The paper towels went forever in there so looks like in need of an axle and birf at least.

I found one on ebay from atlanta for 195$ and the man tells me its the part i need. No hardware though, but maybe he can find a c clip around the shop he said

Land Cruiser FZJ 80, LX 450 ABS Ft Axle Long Side #5090

You guys have gotten me this far. I trust you. What do you think?

 

[SmokingRocks]

I would wait to buy parts until you know what else may be broken.

You should do a front axle tear down (front axle service will do this for you). I personally would take the third member out (after you have removed the remaining birfeild and axle) to see if there are twisted splines in the carrier. Twisted splines could prevent the removal of an axle (and would prevent a 1/2 mechanic from replacing it, possibly leading to your situation).

So first thing first I think you need to do a total damage assessment. Without a driver side axle in place there is nothing to create an oil seal on that side so the level of fluid is in serious question.

Start by draining the oil. Then do a axle service, if the driver side axle shaft is removed and you are able to remove the passenger side axle shaft you should be able to look straight through the axle and see light at the other side.

So start there, if things get bad your parts list may grow, if things get really bad you might be better off finding a complete donor axle.

 

[kruisinkid]

you dont want a used C clip. buy a new one only. use this dealership in MA/RI. best discount on the web and they are pretty much local to us. ordered early enough and it could be to you the next day. but buy some other stuff to make the shipping price worth while.

Ring Hole Snap - Toyota (90521-34005)

 

[chap79]

There are after market chomolies that can be purchased too, Longfield and Nitro come to mind. Given the price you could rebuild both side vice just one.

 

[Rhino5000]

Something is broken, are both drive shafts in place? Lock the CDL, lock the axles, with it in P, jack it up and try to turn the tires. You shouldn't be able to turn any of them. Or, just in P, CDL locked, jack up one tire at a time, shouldn't be able to turn any of them.

Hey i don't want to beat this thread into the ground you guys have given me plenty to go on, but I have another question;

What does it mean that both left and right wheels rotate in Park when it is jacked up?

Obviously theres a missing birf and axle on the drivers side, but the passenger side has at least the birf. Does it indicate something wrong with the passenger side too?

 

[Tools R Us]

...
What does it mean that both left and right wheels rotate in Park when it is jacked up?

Obviously theres a missing birf and axle on the drivers side, but the passenger side has at least the birf. Does it indicate something wrong with the passenger side too?

Without the birf on the other side, there is nothing to hold the diff in place, normal.

 

[Rhino5000]

Hey everyone. I finally had time to address this issue. When i dug in there the knucle itself looks beat up. What do you think?

 

[Rhino5000]

Also pulled both of these out of there (cleaned them) wtf?!