sweet. that would be cool to see a bench flow test before and after...
22RE Rebuild vs. PreBuilt
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I expect to see a detailed write up with lots of pictures!
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Yeah, me to. I know just enough about a cylinder head to follow him, but after listening to him it sounds like, and I expect the bench test to show this, basically the stock head's exhaust out flows the intake by a decent margin, so one of the things he said they really worked on was improving the intake flow to balance the head better.
Not sure that it will be part of the video, but he also said he had several other heads by various manufacturers that they had flow tested also. It would be cool for there to be some kind of independent test on several heads to see how well they each do against their advertised numbers.
Anybody know somebody at Toyota 4wd Owners, Xtreme 4x4 or Horsepower that might want to take that on?
You will not be dissapointed, I have no problems with mine. I was hoping you would come to this conclusion without too much biased inputs (like myself) on your own. Glad you called Jim up and spoke to him, he knows his stuff on 22re's.
I will say one thing, get the ARP head bolts. Yea they're pricey, but there one thing that I would not skimp on. Another thing you won't have to do is reopen your valve cover after everything is sealed up to "retorque" your head bolts down.
I will say one thing, get the ARP head bolts. Yea they're pricey, but there one thing that I would not skimp on. Another thing you won't have to do is reopen your valve cover after everything is sealed up to "retorque" your head bolts down.
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I expect to see a detailed write up with lots of pictures!
I will definitely take plenty of pictures, have to once it is in the truck I won't be able to see most of it.
I also need to get some other misc. hardware from you, fuel filter and the like. I will give you a call one day next week.
I have said that line more than the average fellow, if I didn't know better I'd think I might be helping fund that little girls college fund...
I will definitely take plenty of pictures, have to once it is in the truck I won't be able to see most of it.
I also need to get some other misc. hardware from you, fuel filter and the like. I will give you a call one day next week.
You're just paying for daycare right now. We'll talk about college later.
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So a quick trip to the pick-n-pull this afternoon netted a full intake, head, rocker arm assembly & manifold from an 88 2wd pickup, I think. I plan to either use some parts as cores or sell them to help offset some of what I am spending on the head and such. I was only after the rocker arm assembly but two of the head bolts were not coming loose so I just brought the whole thing home. I figure I can strip everything down clean them up, and use what I can and sell the rest.
Edit: Dumb question, can someone confirm that the intakes are the same on these motors thru the years. I am thinking about having the one I picked up today hot tanked and then hitting it with some clear coat or a coat of paint. But before I do that I just want to make sure it will bolt up.
Thanks,
Edit: Dumb question, can someone confirm that the intakes are the same on these motors thru the years. I am thinking about having the one I picked up today hot tanked and then hitting it with some clear coat or a coat of paint. But before I do that I just want to make sure it will bolt up.
Thanks,
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Ok so I started taking the junkyard find apart. Two of the head bolts are stuck in the head. Too late to put any weight behind it tonight. Will try again tomorrow.
Definitely know that the upper intake is different. It puts the TB on a slight downward cant whereas my 90 is square. Not sure if the lower has the same issue. These may go up for sale unless they happen to have a later model at the scrapper that I can swap them for.
Got a guy to call tomorrow that might have what I am after, we shall see. Didn't get to spend as much time at the pick-n-pull because the jacked up head bolt took me almost an hour to work loose.
May just get the rocker assembly and cam out and just take the head back. Not sure I would want to sell it not knowing how it would run or the history. I gotta sleep at night.
If the rockers come off clean, I will have that and a bunch of extra hardware at least.
Definitely know that the upper intake is different. It puts the TB on a slight downward cant whereas my 90 is square. Not sure if the lower has the same issue. These may go up for sale unless they happen to have a later model at the scrapper that I can swap them for.
Got a guy to call tomorrow that might have what I am after, we shall see. Didn't get to spend as much time at the pick-n-pull because the jacked up head bolt took me almost an hour to work loose.
May just get the rocker assembly and cam out and just take the head back. Not sure I would want to sell it not knowing how it would run or the history. I gotta sleep at night.
If the rockers come off clean, I will have that and a bunch of extra hardware at least.
I would go with the later intake if I were you. I think the new intake runs 90 through 95. I put a 94 on my 85.
All the RE intakes fit and will bolt up but they changed the design around 90. Quite a few advantages to the later style.
All the RE intakes fit and will bolt up but they changed the design around 90. Quite a few advantages to the later style.
I've heard this as well. The one on my 87 RE has the downward slope.
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Well that settles it, I will just take back the intake and head and see if they have a newer intake I can swap it for. There are a few other rigs that I didn't get around to yesterday.
Maybe I can talk the
into a couple of hours this afternoon to go look.
Thanks
Edit: I am going to call LCE today or next week to see if they will trade a core 88 intake complete for some other parts. If they will then the core is worth more than I paid and I could get the ARP studs for almost the same price as just head bolts. Maybe this will work out better than I thought.
We shall see.
Maybe I can talk the
into a couple of hours this afternoon to go look.Thanks
Edit: I am going to call LCE today or next week to see if they will trade a core 88 intake complete for some other parts. If they will then the core is worth more than I paid and I could get the ARP studs for almost the same price as just head bolts. Maybe this will work out better than I thought.
We shall see.
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'89+. I'm putting an '89 on mine. The interesting thing about the '89 throttle body is it uses the same TPS as the earlier, so no need to clock the pawl on the throttle plate. Position is the same.
'87 on the left, '89 on the right:
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'89+. I'm putting an '89 on mine. The interesting thing about the '89 throttle body is it uses the same TPS as the earlier, so no need to clock the pawl on the throttle plate. Position is the same.
'87 on the left, '89 on the right:
Not to highjack but what is the real benefit of running the newer style intake?
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It is supposed to flow better from what I've read. I think the later one may have also been released on the Turbo motors as well.
I'll check it out.
Better throttle response is the number one advantage.
KLF, I installed a 94 in the 85 4Runner and I didn't "clock the Pawl". I did change out the throttle cable but that was it. Maybe I was supposed to do something more? If so, I never saw anything written about it.
Here's my thread on the conversion: https://forum.ih8mud.com/79-95-toyo...intake-manifold-throttle-body-conversion.html
I still think it's 90 through 95 but I've been wrong many times before. LOL
KLF, I installed a 94 in the 85 4Runner and I didn't "clock the Pawl". I did change out the throttle cable but that was it. Maybe I was supposed to do something more? If so, I never saw anything written about it.
Here's my thread on the conversion: https://forum.ih8mud.com/79-95-toyo...intake-manifold-throttle-body-conversion.html
I still think it's 90 through 95 but I've been wrong many times before. LOL
Hey jynx what cam are you running? Do these heads come with cam and rockers? I've never bought a head from one of these places so I don't know what all it comes with. I was looking at getting an LCE cam myself at some point. I would have rather had the TRD stage 2 but alas all the TRD cams are disco.
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The head will come with a cam but no rockers. I have been scouring local yards and such to get parts to trade in to get core credits so I can trade for some other parts, and or sell to gain back some $$. Today I scored another full rocker assembly and a lower intake for $10.
They will let me pick the cam and I am probably going to go with one of their 270 grinds which should be a good compliment to the valve job on the head.
I think he said it was similar to one of the TRD cams but I can't remember exactly. I also read some good things on Pirate about the Comp 252S but it is a little spendy compared to the other options.
Also, just for reference, LCE basically said they would not give core credit for the intake, basically said he bought them cheap and the core deposit was just to get one back, so I am going to see about a little more horse trading, and if that doesn't go then I will just return it.
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KLF,
I just ran across an old thread of yours (Dec 2010) where you were having some problems with the ARP studs you installed in the 22R that you had in your rig. Are you going back together with the studs on this build or standard head bolts?
Just curious. I am still torn on this and I am leaning toward factory bolts since they are proven.
On a side, the two you couldn't get loose are the same two the caused me to come home with the whole top-end from the pick and pull.
Thanks,
Matthew
I just ran across an old thread of yours (Dec 2010) where you were having some problems with the ARP studs you installed in the 22R that you had in your rig. Are you going back together with the studs on this build or standard head bolts?
Just curious. I am still torn on this and I am leaning toward factory bolts since they are proven.
On a side, the two you couldn't get loose are the same two the caused me to come home with the whole top-end from the pick and pull.
Thanks,
Matthew