200 Series Portal Axles (2 Viewers)

[Heritage 2020]

How do you believe portals are going to “compromise” the 200 (other than the typical cons with portals - cost, maintenance, minor dip in HP)? I guess everyone’s use case is different, so the cons may not be worth it to some? But keeping suspension geometry (and factory AHC) while obtaining a 35% reduction in gearing and 5” of true clearance, the ability to run 40’s, and 8” of track width (although I know that can be a con as much as a pro in some cases) are incredible benefits. I work from home so I don’t need to drive every day.
I don’t know - using the word “compromise” has me curious? Are you just referring to the typical cons?
How do you believe it will be “worse overall”?

@XFACTR the cons and compromises you mention—plus the price (likely north of $30k all in) are very significant.

The power hit will not be slight—even with gear reduction AND far more than you anticipate due to driveline friction increases that inevitably result from adding more components between the crankshaft and the pavement.

You may want to consider investing in a Harrop supercharger—for low RPM power as well to maintain OEM power/driveability—if you want the same power when on the highway.

Add reliability to your list—as more components equal more failure points.

I love my HE 200 and view it as bulletproof/nearly perfect as built—for the mild off-roading and national park exploration that my family/I use it for.

Drivetrain is where Murphy and his law often decide to show up—and I don’t want to mess with Toyota’s essential goodness on my rig.

My HMMWV is 84” wide and I don’t mind scraping it, bashing it, putting deer carcasses in the pickup bed, while whooping and hollering with my family/friends.

The HMMWV is far more capable and reliable than some give it credit for. Easy to maintain, tons of surplus parts, looks great with scrapes, and the CTIS works—for the price of your build/labor.

I’m neither rich nor poor—and I can’t get past the price tag and the compromises vs. having another toy.

NOTE1: Again, it’s your $$ and I look forward to seeing your build! I’m sure it will be epic—one way or the other. Please share when completed!

NOTE2: I’m biased being retired military with 30+ yrs of intimate familiarity w/HMMWV maintenance/capabilities. The HMMWV is an inexpensive and highly capable/fun brute at low cost if you’ve garage space. Oh, and my CTIS works great with TLC every now and then.

NOTE3: May the iH8Mud gods/moderators forgive my sins for mentioning a non Toyota. I’d buy a Mega Cruiser if it were available. I’m never selling my HE2020!

 

[Heritage 2020]

Leaving this here. Beasts.

@TeCKis300

Beautiful beasts while mall crawling —which may be enough for the target audience (the manly rough/rugged/faux military look).

Outside of military service—as an engineer no way, no how, and especially on Sundays.

That said, I encourage folks with disposable income throw their money at this—and share the long term impact it has on their LC200.

NOTE: I do have a sense of humor. Why would the Jeep Rubicon owner in the video be determined to make a vehicle with dismal reliability ratings—even less reliable?

 

[TeCKis300]

@TeCKis300

Beautiful beasts while mall crawling —which may be enough for the target audience (the manly rough/rugged/faux military look).

Outside of military service—as an engineer no way, no how, and especially on Sundays.

That said, I encourage folks with disposable income throw their money at this—and share the long term impact it has on their LC200.

NOTE: I do have a sense of humor. Why would the Jeep Rubicon owner in the video be determined to make a vehicle with dismal reliability ratings—even less reliable?

Interestingly - If you look at 74welds website, it is exactly the military that is a potential client.

Reason being these organization have strict rules against suspension lifts due to inherent risk. Portals aren't so much a lift but an integrated solution that adds much needed clearance, with gearing, and track width improvements to help meet stability and rollover requirements.

The 200-series is already in use with these organizations for its reliability and robust structure. If there were a better base, I don't know it.

That said, I wouldn't add a giant lift, tundra arms, low offset wheels, and then install portals on top. That creates leverage way way beyond what is reasonable. The opportunity is little to no lift, moderately large tires, with portals. And that's the way Quinn sets them up.

Your points aren't wrong and makes me think of this poorly modded Bronco. Even with ridiculous clearance, it struggles so hard because of bad geometry.

 

[XFACTR]

@XFACTR the cons and compromises you mention—plus the price (likely north of $30k all in) are very significant.

The power hit will not be slight—even with gear reduction AND far more than you anticipate due to driveline friction increases that inevitably result from adding more components between the crankshaft and the pavement.

You may want to consider investing in a Harrop supercharger—for low RPM power as well to maintain OEM power/driveability—if you want the same power when on the highway.

Add reliability to your list—as more components equal more failure points.

I love my HE 200 and view it as bulletproof/nearly perfect as built—for the mild off-roading and national park exploration that my family/I use it for.

Drivetrain is where Murphy and his law often decide to show up—and I don’t want to mess with Toyota’s essential goodness on my rig.

My HMMWV is 84” wide and I don’t mind scraping it, bashing it, putting deer carcasses in the pickup bed, while whooping and hollering with my family/friends.

The HMMWV is far more capable and reliable than some give it credit for. Easy to maintain, tons of surplus parts, looks great with scrapes, and the CTIS works—for the price of your build/labor.

I’m neither rich nor poor—and I can’t get past the price tag and the compromises vs. having another toy.

NOTE1: Again, it’s your $$ and I look forward to seeing your build! I’m sure it will be epic—one way or the other. Please share when completed!

NOTE2: I’m biased being retired military with 30+ yrs of intimate familiarity w/HMMWV maintenance/capabilities. The HMMWV is an inexpensive and highly capable/fun brute at low cost if you’ve garage space. Oh, and my CTIS works great with TLC every now and then.

NOTE3: May the iH8Mud gods/moderators forgive my sins for mentioning a non Toyota. I’d buy a Mega Cruiser if it were available. I’m never selling my HE2020!

You make it sound like my 200 is gonna blow up as soon as I install the portals! I don’t claim to be an expert by any means, but I do know several people are running these on their 200’s and have not had any issues thus far (at least if they are being honest). I’ll be sure to report back though. I don’t think modern portals have the same issues older ones do. Werewolf’s and 74 Weld both run 4 gears. By all accounts they’re incredibly strong. But again, I’ll let you know if they’re all just lying to us.

@TeCKis300

Beautiful beasts while mall crawling —which may be enough for the target audience (the manly rough/rugged/faux military look).

Outside of military service—as an engineer no way, no how, and especially on Sundays.

That said, I encourage folks with disposable income throw their money at this—and share the long term impact it has on their LC200.

NOTE: I do have a sense of humor. Why would the Jeep Rubicon owner in the video be determined to make a vehicle with dismal reliability ratings—even less reliable?

@TeCKis300

Beautiful beasts while mall crawling —which may be enough for the target audience (the manly rough/rugged/faux military look).

Outside of military service—as an engineer no way, no how, and especially on Sundays.

That said, I encourage folks with disposable income throw their money at this—and share the long term impact it has on their LC200.

NOTE: I do have a sense of humor. Why would the Jeep Rubicon owner in the video be determined to make a vehicle with dismal reliability ratings—even less reliable?

You call that mall-crawling?

 

[XFACTR]

Also there may be a misunderstanding regarding gearing. He had already regeared to 4.88’s before the portals. I don’t think he is regearing again. He’s already at like 6.5 gears.

For anyone curious, I messaged James. He is not planning on regearing again, but he did say he’d like to add a supercharger because he tows a camping trailer - for those times when he’s doing 75-80mph on the highway. He is currently at 6.5 gear ratio, as he had already regeared to 4.88’s before he did the portals.

 

[XFACTR]

For those of you following this thread, someone with 74 Welds on their Bronco just destroyed them at KOH and said they weren’t even going hard - didn’t know they broke anything until everyone told him to stop. Reports of a second 74 weld breakage in the same spot on the case. Irreparable. Must be replaced. Stuck on trail. Trail Militia on IG and YT has more info. I’m not sure Billet is the right material for these? Glad I went steel, even though it’s heavier.

 

[XFACTR]

 

[XFACTR]

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[hoser]

 

[mark71]

"Dude says he wasn't even going hard."

Preceded by "Watch this, hold my beer."?

If that trail wasn't hard, I'd like to see what he normally runs.

 

[XFACTR]

"Dude says he wasn't even going hard."

Preceded by "Watch this, hold my beer."?

If that trail wasn't hard, I'd like to see what he normally runs.

I don’t think the person was saying the trail wasn’t hard - but that he wasn’t going hard when it broke.

 

[XFACTR]

I don’t think the person was saying the trail wasn’t hard - but that he wasn’t going hard when it broke.

Regardless, when you spend $22k on a mod only for it to break, that really sucks.

 

[ikarus]

Gnarly

 

[TimCFJ40]

I'd be upset at breaking my $25k portals, but having been deep in the rock crawling world, breaking stuff happens. Even "unbreakable" stuff.

 

[hoser]

74Weld says Lifetime warranty on Uprights & Knuckles as long as you don't go over the tire limit... for a Bronco, it is 38" tires.

 

[XFACTR]

74Weld says Lifetime warranty on Uprights & Knuckles as long as you don't go over the tire limit... for a Bronco, it is 38" tires.

This guy is on 39’s.

 

[MTKID]

74Weld says Lifetime warranty on Uprights & Knuckles as long as you don't go over the tire limit... for a Bronco, it is 38" tires.

Interesting I wonder if the werewolf portals have a similar stipulation on their warranty. 38’s are lame

 

[nwfl4runner]

Will be interested to see if there's some insight into why the aluminum failed at the LBJ? Leverage on the tire, but is that a manufacturing defect (i.e., not design). My 4runner has fully fabricated and boxed steel knuckles, I never thought twice about the lower joint ripping off...

 

[hoser]

Interesting I wonder if the werewolf portals have a similar stipulation on their warranty. 38’s are lame

74Weld Warranty depends on the vehicle and axle splines... some are up to 40" tires.

Werewolf Portals:
"Portal gearboxes are guaranteed for a period of 2 years or 50,000 km, when using wheels with a total diameter of up to 38 inches. And for a period of 1 year or 10,000 km, to the use of wheels with a total diameter of up to 40 inches."

 

[bj70bc]

74Weld Warranty depends on the vehicle and axle splines... some are up to 40" tires.

Werewolf Portals:
"Portal gearboxes are guaranteed for a period of 2 years or 50,000 km, when using wheels with a total diameter of up to 38 inches. And for a period of 1 year or 10,000 km, to the use of wheels with a total diameter of up to 40 inches."

subtext, "yo shiit gonna break son"