ACL BEB photo after 70,000 kms

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I replaced my 1HD-T BEBs about 70,000 kms ago with ACL bearings. My engine is out on a stand while I swap it to a different truck, so I thought it would be a convenient time to replace the bearings again instead of waiting to 100,000 kms.

Here is a photo of the bearing wear, just in case anyone is interested.

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wear on them seem excessive for only 70000k

I have rebuilt motors with 700000km plus and they looked better than the top row of bearings.

what grade oil do you use?
 
I think they are perfectly fine. We took a set of those bearings out after 100 (yes, a hundred, not a hundred thousand) miles and they looked almost exactly the same. My guess would be that this is the initial wear in that happens right away and then they stay like this for a long time.
cheers,
jan
 
its not extremely bad but from my experience thats too much wear for the klms the motor has done
 
Looks like 1HD bearings to me that are 3/4 the way through there service life of 100k kms. Still cant believe how hard that engine is on bottom end bearings.
 
I've been waiting for someone to take a set of the ACL bearings out after some miles. There was a BEB thread a while back (don't feel like finding it) where it was asked if they need to be swapped again with the ACLs or if that was the permanent fix. There was no definitive conclusion. I'm looking at that and still don't really know the answer...

My stock bearings were trashed at 110,000km. I'm at 240,000km now, and wondering if I need to address this or not.
 
This does raise a lot of the same questions that have been asked and answered..

Guess first question is oil service, type of oil and driving conditions..?

In Oz there is a few trucks with 1hz that have turned a million kilometers but I have yet to see a 1hdt or FT do this.? I am sure someone who surfs the net a bit more could answer that question.

To me those do not look that bad at all, typical wear. I would guess you could torque them into the con rods and have them measured.

Is there not a surface on the bearings that is very very thin, that wears off?

Rob
 
I changed oil every 5,000 kms and filter every 10,000 kms religiously for the entire life of those bearings. Always used Shell Rotella 15-40.
 
I changed oil every 5,000 kms and filter every 10,000 kms religiously for the entire life of those bearings. Always used Shell Rotella 15-40.

Do you have a good caliper to measure the bearings on the center and sides?
J
 
Found this. Interesting read.

http://www.precisionenginetech.com/tech-explained/2009/06/01/race-bearing-tech-part-2/


So far in reading I have found a couple points to consider for cavitation. Run less bearing tollerance and lighter synthetic oils with really high fluid film strength to reduce the likelyhood of cavitation, that is clasic cavitation like the expansion and collapse of bubbles.

Running too too thick of an oil viscosity wise, can reduce oil returning to the pan and increases foaming and allows the oil pick up to introduce air into the system (some folks call the air introduced cavitaion). Even small amounts would be nasty and degrade the film strength over the bearing. It also generates more heat which can predispose the bearing to clasic cavitation.

Here is a quote from an article. Link is below it.

"[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]If the oil selected is too low in viscosity, heat will generate due to an insufficient film thickness and some metal-to-metal contact will occur. If the oil is too high in viscosity, heat will again be generated, but due to the internal fluid friction created within the oil. Selecting an oil which is too high in viscosity can also increase the likelihood of cavitation. The high- and low-pressure zones, which are created within the oil on each side of the area of minimum film thickness, can cause oil cavitation in these bearings. Cavitation is a result of expansion of dissolved air or a vapor (water or fuel) in the low-pressure zone of the bearing. The resulting bubble implodes, causing damage, as it passes through the high-pressure portion of the bearing. If the implosion or collapse of the vapor bubble occurs next to the metal surface, this can cause cavitation pitting damage to the metal. If the implosion of the bubble occurs within the oil, a micro hot spot or micro-dieseling can occur, which may lead to varnishing within the system."
http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/779/journal-bearing-lubrication
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It seems that fuel and water contamination of the oil are the two main culprits ive found for cavitation to originate from. I would think that a good bypass filter can easily remove the water, but the fuel is much harder to get.


It might be worth a shot to get a nice bypass filter set up and perhaps run a good synthetic like rotella's 0-40 for example. I would say amsoil or redline as well. Amsoil has a lot of grades to choose from. Id say almost anything would be a step up. That is not to slam you, its just those bearings have seen some hard times and you were treating them pretty darn good with your oil quality and frequent changes.

I would think a synthetic will shed faster returning to the pan and they also foam less. I dont know about running tighter bearings but some builders only go 5 thou tighter. You can gain a couple thou with moly coatings right there. A bypass filter with an element to catch water is easly to install and maintain. lastly id add zink and moly additives for a final critical wear barrier if (when) the film degrades and you get metal contact. Most modern oils have had their zink content reduced quite a bit.

Thoughts?
g
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once again it comes down to the oil change frequency ...
and i have often wondered about the oil thickness.

for s***s and giggles i ran 0/30 semi synth in my brand new mazda pickup from 1000 km to when my dad stopped driving it at 320,000 km. it never burnt a drop, leaked a drop and stayed "clean" the entire time.
now i was warned not to do this since 0/30 "is way to light a grade for Calgary summers", i was told it would kill the engine since there wasn't enough viscosity in the summer to protect the bearings.

it could be i got lucky ...

i would say that wear is normal for bearings, there is no delamination but a bit of scoring showing. start changing the filter every 5000 as well, put the top bearings on the bottom and bottom on the top and reinstall.
the load is pushing down and the one side looks like new.
flip and check again in another 100K and lets see how they look.

but then for $60 ... why not go new?
 
From what ive read the cavitation only happens at the highest load point which would be the bottom of the bearing exactly where the most damage is seen in the pics. I would also say go for new as rotating the old bearings will have the net affect of increasing the overall bearing tollerance and might actually exaggerate the cavitation causing the new bearing wear to accellerate. It might be worth looking into the actual bearing tollerance and seeing what high performance engines run as far as synthetic oils to see what they run and match it. I wouldnt go with alot of guess work unless you plan on opening it up frequently to check on it.
 
I know on the sticker on the airbox it recommends running 10W-30 and filter changes at 10k kms.

Personally I know I have a 1HZ but it said the same thing on mine, I ran 10W-30 for a year and I decided to run an oil analysis and it showed that I was getting bearing wear (lead numbers were higher than I liked)
I switched to 15W-40 and problem was fixed. I also change my filter every oil change and I recommend you do too.
My bearings looked really good when I changed them out at my turbo job.

If I had a 1hd-t opposed to a 1hz I would be running a synthetic Amsoil and probably playing with weights like 10W-40 personally. Oil stays quite clean on these opposed to the 1HZ. I would look into running a TP bypass filter if your really worried about it. You may be able to do one oil change a year which is pretty sweet (with analysis every 5000kms) It could save you money in the long run, but I haven't punched the numbers.

I also read on LCOOL that these are 100,000km change out items. Sucks to say that but I bought another set and have them on the shelf for when I get to 237,000kms just to see for the hell of it.

Just for a comparison these were my 1HZ bearings @ 137,500kms when I did my turbo job. I am curious if the 12mm pump has anything to do with the oil cavitation creating a resonance. I know I plan on upgrading my pump to an 11 or 12mm plunger down the road. Just change em and keep changing them. Its an evening of dirty work.:meh:
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If it recomends 10-30 then perhaps amsoil 10-30 with additives would be good. It sounds like the thicker dino oil deal might be a step in the wrong direction. I doubt oil changes alone would be enough unless the root problem was fuel contamination. Its hard to say. Your bearings look great, but then the 1HZ has the rep for high miles. The TP filters work grat for good micronic filtration as well as water removal.
 
I think the lighter weight oil at least for my proved to be insufficient...

Try for yourself but I was unimpressed.
On my thread I have a photo of my analysis
 
These were my original bearings at 115k. Seems like some engines are much harder on them than others, for reasons unknown to me.

 
I think synthetic 15-40 is less viscous than dino 10-30 if I had to guess. I run 15-40 redline in my 3b and that stuff flows great even in pretty cold weather.
 
simple test
take a sample of each oil you are considering using in the winter
put into jars and stick in the freezer over night
test in the morning
 
I was actually thinking of getting an overall understanding of viscosity for a 10-30 dino oil and gettin a synthetic with that viscosity in a higher multi grade to increase the film strength. That way your meeting the recomended viscosity for the bearing tollerance but improving bearing protection. Simply increasing viscosity I think can be a step backwards for these engines.
 
This is always an interesting topic especially for those of us interested in seeing what kind of high mileage we can get on these 1hdt engines. One of the guys I wheel with has 350,000+kms with only the regular engine PM stuff. BUT ... that engine is an FT which doesn't really count.. Everyone else is around the 200k mark and no one has had any issues with BEB's. I'm the only "paranoid" one who has changed them. ;)

These are mine after 210,000kms. Very respectable I thought and didn't really help my case in preaching the "change the BEB's or else" to the group.
Everyone runs 15W40 Waco’s dino oil....no synthetics!! My truck always has as well but it hasn't spent too much time up north in the real cold I don't think.

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