Water to Air Intercooler installed and functioning well in El Troque!

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After two days of highway driving and one of hard trail running I can say that I'm very pleased with how it's working. I just got a turbo boost controller and installed it, but I them read a forum that suggested just removing the vacuum line from the waste gate altogether. So I did that and ran it that way. The most boost I'm getting is a out 12 pounds, compared to the 9 I had been getting. Seems weird.

Thoughts?
 
After two days of highway driving and one of hard trail running I can say that I'm very pleased with how it's working. I just got a turbo boost controller and installed it, but I them read a forum that suggested just removing the vacuum line from the waste gate altogether. So I did that and ran it that way. The most boost I'm getting is a out 12 pounds, compared to the 9 I had been getting. Seems weird.

Thoughts?

Would love to see pictures of your intercooler setup.

You might only be getting that much boost because your fuel is at stock level. Everytime I turn up my fuel I get more boost. More fuel/air produces more exhaust energy which produces more boost. I'll do a write up on tuning the 2LTE on Monday. No time today, sorry....
 
When I replaced my turbo I got about 15lbs of boost without touching anything else. I assumed that the turbo came with the waste gate set differently than stock.
 
When I replaced my turbo I got about 15lbs of boost without touching anything else. I assumed that the turbo came with the waste gate set differently than stock.

What did you replace your stock turbo with and what was the cost?
 
Here is my intercooler setup.
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What did you replace your stock turbo with and what was the cost?

I just bought a cheap Chinese CT20 off Ebay. Total cost was a little over $200 with all new gaskets.
 
Just got home after a 4,000 mile road trip that included about 2,000 miles of interstate highway, 1500 miles of narrow two lane paved roads and 500 miles of dirt and rough trails. Not a single problem and El Troque was a delight on every kind of road and a blast on steep, rocky 4 wheeler trails in the mountains. A couple of issues I'd love feedback on:

1. I continue to get oil pudding in the charge pipes. I don't seem to be losing much oil, about a quart every 2,000 miles, maybe less. I'm thinking the seals in the turbo must be failing but I only get smoke for 5 seconds on startup and a puff on acceleration. Thoughts before I buy a new turbo unit and switch it out? And any recommendations on the turbo?

2. During this trip I installed a coolant temp gauge into the factory sensor port. I am getting normal operating temps of 230f and climbing to 250f at 70 mph (which I don't do but just tested it). Normal highway speed of 60 to 65 mph it holds at about 240f. I'm running Evan's Waterless Coolant so not having any symptoms of overheating at all buy it's just too hot for comfort. Thermostat is functioning perfectly. Never overheats at low speed or at idle when sitting, and cools down fast. EGT's are not a problem, running at 800 to 900 post turbo at high speed, lower at lower speed. Even up steep mountain highways it held at those numbers with careful driving.

Thoughts please? (Oh, and the intercooler project took a dump after the first 1000 miles when my rigged flex charge tube blew a hole. I just disassembled it for the rest of the trip and ran the stock cross tubes.)
 
Sounds like other guys have had good luck with some of the ebay CT20a turbos. Could just buy from the same seller/brand?

Your temps sound really hot to me. Something is not right. You should be running a normal temp of whatever your thermostat opening temp is (192f ?). It may go up from there on big hills. No more than 220f if you're not towing I'd think.
 
Sounds like other guys have had good luck with some of the ebay CT20a turbos. Could just buy from the same seller/brand?

Your temps sound really hot to me. Something is not right. You should be running a normal temp of whatever your thermostat opening temp is (192f ?). It may go up from there on big hills. No more than 220f if you're not towing I'd think.
What would you check first? Radiator? I can tell that the thermostat is functioning properly because I can see from the temp gauge that it's opening at 180f.
 
What would you check first? Radiator? I can tell that the thermostat is functioning properly because I can see from the temp gauge that it's opening at 180f.

So, stuff to check would be:
- Is your radiator clean on the outside (air passages)?
- Is your radiator clean on the inside? Maybe it needs to be rodded out.
- Is the radiator core (fins) in ok shape?
- Is your clutch fan working right? Might need new oil and the temperature adjusted?
- Are your rad hoses old? They can collapse and stop coolant flow apparently when they are too soft.
- Water pump been done recently?
- How is your motor tuned? What are your EGTs? Boost? Fuel?
- What rpms are you running when you hit hills?
- What are the ambient temps you were in?
- Did you have the A/C on? The factory computer will shut the A/C off on you when you are running the temperatures you are talking about. Did this happen to you? A/C will cause slightly higher coolant temps as well.
- Does your transmission lock-up work right? The transmission when out of lock-up will generate a huge amount of heat which it dumps into the radiator (factory trans cooler). Leave your transmission PWR switch OFF. I recommend never running it in PWR mode. Hit the hills in 3rd gear (OD off). You should get lock-up in 3rd gear at 70km/hr.
- Are you sure that your gauge is reading right? What was the factory gauge indicating before you went with an aftermarket gauge?
- Get your intercooler working again. It'll help lower temps as well.
- What brand thermostat are you running? I HIGHLY recommend running a Tridon high-flow thermostat. They work really well: TRIDON HF Thermostat Hilux Surf(Diesel)LN130(G,W)Inc.Turbo 8/91-3/93 2.4L 2L-T,E | eBay


I thought Evan's ran quite a bit warmer than conventional coolant... isn't that normal?

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I run Evans. Under normal driving conditions, it runs the same temperature as regular coolant in these motors.

When I tow (total vehicle trailer weight of at least 8500lbs!) up big hills (6% grade or more) in 90f+ ambient temps it does get hot. Up to 220-230f maximum. Initially it runs a little hotter than regular coolant would when I hit the hills. But where I'd run into boil over with regular coolant, the Evan's seems to get just a little hotter, and then plateau's and stops getting hotter. This is because the greater the temp difference between the radiator and ambient, the more efficient the cooling. So running a little hotter actually makes the cooling more efficient. Sort of like driving in cooler ambient weather makes the cooling more efficient also. It's all about the temperature differential between ambient and radiator.
 
So, stuff to check would be:
- Is your radiator clean on the outside (air passages)? Yes it is.


- Is your radiator clean on the inside? Maybe it needs to be rodded out.
I'm not sure about this one. I don't suppose there is a way to really know is there, except to pull the radiator and have it done. Are there any replacement radiators that guys have found to be beneficial? It seems that if I was going to pull the radiator I might as well replace it instead of having it cleaned out.

- Is the radiator core (fins) in ok shape?
Yes.

- Is your clutch fan working right? Might need new oil and the temperature adjusted?
I haven't checked this but have read about changing the silicone. Is there a test to know if it's necessary?

- Are your rad hoses old? They can collapse and stop coolant flow apparently when they are too soft.
No, they are all good. Steve Jackson replaced them all right before I bought the truck 18 months ago.

- Water pump been done recently?
Yes, along with timing belt, etc. just two months ago.

- How is your motor tuned? What are your EGTs? Boost? Fuel?
Stock boost since the intercooler charge tube failed and I disconnected it. I did turn up the fuel just about 1/3 of a turn.

- What rpms are you running when you hit hills? Running on flat ground down the four lane highway I'm running about 2500 rpm's with the overdrive engaged. When I hit hills and the speed dropped I would disengage the overdrive. That would keep the EGT's down but at higher revs the coolant temp would increase so I had to back off quite a bit. I have read where you've said to keep the RPM's up above 3k on hills but when I did that the coolant temps would climb fast.

- What are the ambient temps you were in?
70f for the most part. Not real hot.

- Did you have the A/C on? The factory computer will shut the A/C off on you when you are running the temperatures you are talking about. Did this happen to you? A/C will cause slightly higher coolant temps as well.
I mostly had the A/C on, and it never cut out on its own. I did have the A/C thermostat turned down low so it was cutting in and out because of that but not in any connection with coolant temps.

- Does your transmission lock-up work right? The transmission when out of lock-up will generate a huge amount of heat which it dumps into the radiator (factory trans cooler). Leave your transmission PWR switch OFF. I recommend never running it in PWR mode. Hit the hills in 3rd gear (OD off). You should get lock-up in 3rd gear at 70km/hr.
By PWR do you mean the ECT button? I drive with that engaged almost always. I think it just alters the shift points to a higher range in the RPM, correct? I haven't seen it make any difference once you're driving down the highway, just around town. But yes, the lock up works perfectly. No trouble with the tranny at all. I have also installed an external transmission cooler, which I can't see makes any difference that I can document but I like knowing it's there and helping to cool things a bit.

- Are you sure that your gauge is reading right? What was the factory gauge indicating before you went with an aftermarket gauge?
The stock gauge was almost always in the very top of the white, almost touching the red when going down the highway. Around town always in the middle somewhere. The actual temps I'm seeing on the new gauge do correspond with that, although there is no clear way to know if the specific temps its showing are correct. Again, I've never had any of the classic signs of an overheated engine. No loss of power, no ticking sounds of overheated metal, nothing strange going on with the cooling system when I stop and pop the hood and look it over after running on the highway.

- Get your intercooler working again. It'll help lower temps as well.
That's a sure thing. I tried some creative stuff that didn't pan out as I'd hoped but I will for sure get it going. It was just too big of a project to handle on the road. I can say that the 1,000 or so miles I drove with the intercooler functioning gave me lower EGT's for sure, but I didn't see a lot of difference in the coolant temps. Then when I put on the manual boost controller and got the boost up to about 15 pounds the egt's dropped a lot more but it blew out a charge tube...

- What brand thermostat are you running? I HIGHLY recommend running a Tridon high-flow thermostat. They work really well: TRIDON HF Thermostat Hilux Surf(Diesel)LN130(G,W)Inc.Turbo 8/91-3/93 2.4L 2L-T,E | eBay
I will get one. I actually removed the thermostat for part of the trip just to experiment. No real difference with it out except the obvious slightly slower warm up time. Once up to temps and going down the highway it ran at the same temps with or without it. Remember, I've never had any overheating problems around town, sitting in traffic after a run on the highway, no problems like that at all. Cools down fast and does great all except at sustained speeds of 65mph.




I run Evans. Under normal driving conditions, it runs the same temperature as regular coolant in these motors.

When I tow (total vehicle trailer weight of at least 8500lbs!) up big hills (6% grade or more) in 90f+ ambient temps it does get hot. Up to 220-230f maximum. Initially it runs a little hotter than regular coolant would when I hit the hills. But where I'd run into boil over with regular coolant, the Evan's seems to get just a little hotter, and then plateau's and stops getting hotter. This is because the greater the temp difference between the radiator and ambient, the more efficient the cooling. So running a little hotter actually makes the cooling more efficient. Sort of like driving in cooler ambient weather makes the cooling more efficient also. It's all about the temperature differential between ambient and radiator.
 
If you can get ahold of a thermal camera, it is an easy way to see if your radiator is clogged inside.

You should audibly hear your clutch fan kick in when the coolant temps start rising above the thermostat opening temp. The fan should literally be roaring when it engages. If it's not, then it's not working right. This is how you service it: Blue fan clutch mod

When I serviced my clutch hub I changed out the oil for 10,000Cst (just used silicon oil from an R/C car store). I adjusted the turn on temp to be a little earlier.

Sounds like your factory gauge and your aftermarket gauges are reading the same. Both definitely much higher than they should be.

Yes, I was talking about the ECT button. When it's in the more aggressive shifting mode, it also does not lock-up the TC until a much higher speed (90km/h maybe). This is why I don't recommend using it. It feels faster, but it's not, because you are loosing power when the TC is not locked.

I'd recommend turning your fuel back down to stock until you fix your intercooler and raise the boost again. I think you are running rich which is contributing to your coolant temps. Probably why the temps get worse at higher rpms, as the computer is adding even more fuel there.

One thing I'm confused about is why your A/C did not cut out on you. Here is a quote from the manual: "Under the following condition, an A/C cut signal is transmitted to the A/C ECU. (Off condition) When the accelerator opening is 45% or higher and the vehicle speed is 30km/h or higher with the coolant temperature of 103C (217f) or more and the starter ON." That definitely has happened to me a couple of times under worst case conditions. It's quite obvious when it happens and the A/C stays off until the temps drop again. It could be that your engine temp sensor (in the block under the intake manifold) is faulty. This would cause the computer to not know what the engine temperature is and so it would not take appropriate action at high temps. The computer also starts cutting fuel when the coolant temp in the block is over 95C.

Anyhow, I'd turn down the fuel again, and start with the fan clutch mod; try to borrow/buy/rent a thermal camera as well so you can see what is actually going on.

Don't keep running it at those temperatures, they are not normal. I think if you did not have Evans coolant for that trip, you would have wrecked they cylinder head for sure.

My truck under the same conditions of the trip you just did would have run temps of probably 192-200F. So something is definitely wrong....
 
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Good advice. I'm on it.

I paid closer attention to the fan and see that it is just running at the speed of the engine. So it's goi ng very slow at idle, which explains why my a/c struggles at idle. Then it speeds up in direct proportion to the engine. I'm not sure how this viscous fan clutch is supposed to work but I never have problems with temps at idle or low speeds.
 
Good advice. I'm on it.

I paid closer attention to the fan and see that it is just running at the speed of the engine. So it's goi ng very slow at idle, which explains why my a/c struggles at idle. Then it speeds up in direct proportion to the engine. I'm not sure how this viscous fan clutch is supposed to work but I never have problems with temps at idle or low speeds.

This video explains how a viscous fan hub works:

Basically air from the radiator hits the little spring on the front of the hub. When it is hot enough, the spring expands and opens an internal valve. This allows silicone oil inside to flow into the clutch surfaces and transfers more power from the engine to the fan. There is a pump in the outside of the clutch that circulates the fluid back into the resevoir in the middle.

These fan hubs make a huge difference to proper cooling for the motor. If the hub is not working, you will have guaranteed problems.

Reason you don't overheat at idle or low speed is it's a diesel. It's too efficient. Once it's at high load, then it's a different story though.
 
Makes sense. I bet that isn't functioning. I'll look at the video. I assume there is a way to tell visually? Still seems like an improper functioning fan wouldn't make a huge difference at 60 mph.
 
Makes sense. I bet that isn't functioning. I'll look at the video. I assume there is a way to tell visually? Still seems like an improper functioning fan wouldn't make a huge difference at 60 mph.

Get your engine good and hot, pull over to the side of the road, and turn up your idle up to 2500rpm. Open your hood and feel the air being blown into the engine bay. Keep hands clear of the fan/belts of course! With the hub engaged and engine at 2500rpm, there should be a MASSIVE amount of air being blown through. It should literally be roaring.

You wouldnt' think it would make a difference at 60mph, but I can tell you it does. I tried a different hub before that was not working right, and I was constantly overheating.
 
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