The FJ in Greenville...Again?????
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Sir Alegar, when is our drop dead, gotta have it, proposal date?
Concretejungle, if I hear you correctly, it sounds as if the expedition
would have to be scouted by someone else PROR to extending an invite
to the FJ Cruiser?
It sure looks like just the ticket. Photo ops look sweet!
ClemsonCruiser's scout trip to Auger Hole is VERY promising.
There was some good stuff back in there. REAL close to G'Vegas.
Burrell's Ford isn't dead yet either. Clemson55 is right that there are
water crossings. Killer mud holes.
89s Rule, I don't know the Hush Hole asking price. Next time I'm
by there I'll write the # down on the for sale sign and call.
Take 25 out of G'ville , just past #11 take the right turn into
the watershed to Saluda. At the big agri field just past Hush Hole Road,
is the for sale sign on your right. Don't drive in. MONDO $$$$$$$ fine.
I think North Greenville College currently owns the 300+ acres.
My business schedule is full next week. No scouting by me.
Dang, I wish HP or MG was open. Muster Grounds especially.
Timing can be everything. LOL....too bad they missed MLK 06.
I bet they KNOW it snowed.
Good work guys. Keep it up. Great job by Sir Alegar to keep us
in formed and involved.
Sir Alegar, when is our drop dead, gotta have it, proposal date?
Concretejungle, if I hear you correctly, it sounds as if the expedition
would have to be scouted by someone else PROR to extending an invite
to the FJ Cruiser?
It sure looks like just the ticket. Photo ops look sweet!
ClemsonCruiser's scout trip to Auger Hole is VERY promising.
There was some good stuff back in there. REAL close to G'Vegas.
Burrell's Ford isn't dead yet either. Clemson55 is right that there are
water crossings. Killer mud holes.
89s Rule, I don't know the Hush Hole asking price. Next time I'm
by there I'll write the # down on the for sale sign and call.
Take 25 out of G'ville , just past #11 take the right turn into
the watershed to Saluda. At the big agri field just past Hush Hole Road,
is the for sale sign on your right. Don't drive in. MONDO $$$$$$$ fine.
I think North Greenville College currently owns the 300+ acres.
My business schedule is full next week. No scouting by me.
Dang, I wish HP or MG was open. Muster Grounds especially.
Timing can be everything. LOL....too bad they missed MLK 06.
I bet they KNOW it snowed.
Good work guys. Keep it up. Great job by Sir Alegar to keep us
in formed and involved.
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Gundy said:No river crossing. That was the point. When a beaver flooded the road
was the only time there was a fording.
Concretejungle's trip sure sounds right and he can be our guide.
Get the Prez some particulars as to what could be done in a day.
This sounds promising. Does Toyota want it to be a day event only?
Are they up for more camping? I notice they enjoyed camping
in the TT article. We do too. An expedition. That would be sweet!!!
I don't know what Toyota wants to do as far as time spent on location. I'm sure once the photographer and scout find a loation they will make a decision then.
I have asked them for their "drop dead" time frame and awaiting a reply.
Also, please remember the initial criteria of depth and length of the water obstacle. Some of these photos I saw here are too shallow and narrow.
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ALEXGAR said:
well the best bet for a large water crossing would be the Auger Hole, if it is open....... also the river we crossed at Burells Ford meets their criteria I do believe, but that trail is only a mile long at best and may be closed.......... so depending on what Toyota wants and their time frame, I say we do some scouting this coming weekend, Sound like John and Andy would be able
keep us informed Prez!!
found this info on the Auger Hole Road:
AUGER HOLE ROAD
Background Information
The Auger Hole Road is an old gravel and dirt road starting from Frozen Creek Road
outside of Rosman, in Transylvania County. The road traveled through the Duke Power
properties, crossing Frozen Creek, Toxaway River, Bearwallow Creek, Horsepasture
River and the Thompson River before terminating at the North Carolina/South Carolina
state line. At this point the road is known as the Muster Ground Road, which terminates
at the Bad Creek Project in South Carolina. Long before Gorges State Park was
established, Duke Power opened the Auger Hole Road for general use. In the early
1980’s it was closed due to misuse and overuse that resulted in road deterioration and
environmental issues. Once it was closed, sportsmen were allowed to access Duke Power
properties via the Grassy Ridge Road off of Hwy 281. During the late 70s through the
late 90s Duke Power helped the Transylvania County Sheriffs Office fund a full-time
deputy to patrol the area due to the misuse occurring on the property such as uncontrolled
off road vehicle use, drinking, drug use, parties, camping, litter and vandalism.
Current Use
With the purchase of the Duke Power property and the establishment of the Toxaway
Game Land and Gorges State Park in April 1999, the Auger Hole Road was reopened to
limited traffic based on the following excerpt from then Secretary of DENR Wayne
McDevitt’s letter to Governor Hunt, dated May 26, 1998:
Access to the game lands will be provided to the hunters during the
hunting season via the Auger Hole Road (also known as the Frozen Creek
Road) or an alternative new or existing road mutually agreed upon by the
Division of Parks and Recreation and the Wildlife Resources
Commission. Hunters crossing the Gorges State Park will have their guns
unloaded and cased. The road and appropriate river crossings will be
maintained by both the Wildlife Resources Commission and the Division
of Parks and Recreation.
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Currently Gorges State Park is maintaining six miles of the Auger Hole Road and river
crossings at Frozen Creek, Toxaway River and Bearwallow Creek with very little help
from the Wildlife Resources Commission. A special keyed lock system (located at the
Frozen Creek access) was created by park staff to honor the agreement to let hunters
access the Toxaway Game Land and to help protect the environment. Over the past three
years, numerous attempts have been made by the Division of Parks and Recreation to
establish a formal agreement regarding operation and maintenance of the road between
the Division and the Wildlife Resources Commission without any success. The Division
has therefore been left with virtually all of the expense of maintaining and managing the
road. Use of the road by hunters is light. Some people also come by the park office, show
a valid hunting license and receive a key, and then use the access for non-hunting
purposes such as camping, fishing and joy riding.
AUGER HOLE ROAD
Background Information
The Auger Hole Road is an old gravel and dirt road starting from Frozen Creek Road
outside of Rosman, in Transylvania County. The road traveled through the Duke Power
properties, crossing Frozen Creek, Toxaway River, Bearwallow Creek, Horsepasture
River and the Thompson River before terminating at the North Carolina/South Carolina
state line. At this point the road is known as the Muster Ground Road, which terminates
at the Bad Creek Project in South Carolina. Long before Gorges State Park was
established, Duke Power opened the Auger Hole Road for general use. In the early
1980’s it was closed due to misuse and overuse that resulted in road deterioration and
environmental issues. Once it was closed, sportsmen were allowed to access Duke Power
properties via the Grassy Ridge Road off of Hwy 281. During the late 70s through the
late 90s Duke Power helped the Transylvania County Sheriffs Office fund a full-time
deputy to patrol the area due to the misuse occurring on the property such as uncontrolled
off road vehicle use, drinking, drug use, parties, camping, litter and vandalism.
Current Use
With the purchase of the Duke Power property and the establishment of the Toxaway
Game Land and Gorges State Park in April 1999, the Auger Hole Road was reopened to
limited traffic based on the following excerpt from then Secretary of DENR Wayne
McDevitt’s letter to Governor Hunt, dated May 26, 1998:
Access to the game lands will be provided to the hunters during the
hunting season via the Auger Hole Road (also known as the Frozen Creek
Road) or an alternative new or existing road mutually agreed upon by the
Division of Parks and Recreation and the Wildlife Resources
Commission. Hunters crossing the Gorges State Park will have their guns
unloaded and cased. The road and appropriate river crossings will be
maintained by both the Wildlife Resources Commission and the Division
of Parks and Recreation.
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Currently Gorges State Park is maintaining six miles of the Auger Hole Road and river
crossings at Frozen Creek, Toxaway River and Bearwallow Creek with very little help
from the Wildlife Resources Commission. A special keyed lock system (located at the
Frozen Creek access) was created by park staff to honor the agreement to let hunters
access the Toxaway Game Land and to help protect the environment. Over the past three
years, numerous attempts have been made by the Division of Parks and Recreation to
establish a formal agreement regarding operation and maintenance of the road between
the Division and the Wildlife Resources Commission without any success. The Division
has therefore been left with virtually all of the expense of maintaining and managing the
road. Use of the road by hunters is light. Some people also come by the park office, show
a valid hunting license and receive a key, and then use the access for non-hunting
purposes such as camping, fishing and joy riding.
more:
Issues
· The Division is incurring virtually the entire cost in money, materials and staff
time to maintain the six miles of the Auger Hole road for the benefit of the
Wildlife Resources Commission and hunters.
· Environmental concerns exist related to erosion from the roadbed, which traverses
rocky and steep terrain and three river fords. These concerns would increase with
increased use.
· Use of the road by hunters is a violation of park regulations – GS113-35, Title
15A, Chapter 12b, NCAC .0901(a): No person except authorized park
employees, their agents, or contractors, or officers of the state shall carry or
possess firearms, airguns, bows and arrows, sling shots, or lethal missiles of any
kind within any park.
· Where the road crosses the Toxaway River and Bearwallow Creek, rains can
make the waters swift, deep and dangerous. People face situations where they
may try to cross the streams at times when conditions make doing so a danger.
Although signs make people aware of the danger, a more stable, safer, and
permanent solution or another access is needed.
· Other routes that access the Toxaway Game Land can be constructed without
crossing the park.
Recommendations
It is recommended that the Division follow the recommendations of the Park Master Plan
(2003), developed and adopted after extensive public input, which states:
Auger Hole Road is represented in this master plan as a gated, but open
road for public use. Based on the current agreement, Auger Hole Road
will remain open until a more suitable route to the game lands can be
established.
A more appropriate permanent route to the game lands should be established. Until that
time, the Division of Parks and Recreation should continue to attempt to secure a formal
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use agreement with the Wildlife Resources Commission which includes specific shared
cost and responsibilities of each agency. If such an agreement cannot be secured, the
Division will only continue to operate the road as long as it is in a condition conducive to
use and will only expend funds for its maintenance to the extent that such funds benefit
the park’s operation.
Issues
· The Division is incurring virtually the entire cost in money, materials and staff
time to maintain the six miles of the Auger Hole road for the benefit of the
Wildlife Resources Commission and hunters.
· Environmental concerns exist related to erosion from the roadbed, which traverses
rocky and steep terrain and three river fords. These concerns would increase with
increased use.
· Use of the road by hunters is a violation of park regulations – GS113-35, Title
15A, Chapter 12b, NCAC .0901(a): No person except authorized park
employees, their agents, or contractors, or officers of the state shall carry or
possess firearms, airguns, bows and arrows, sling shots, or lethal missiles of any
kind within any park.
· Where the road crosses the Toxaway River and Bearwallow Creek, rains can
make the waters swift, deep and dangerous. People face situations where they
may try to cross the streams at times when conditions make doing so a danger.
Although signs make people aware of the danger, a more stable, safer, and
permanent solution or another access is needed.
· Other routes that access the Toxaway Game Land can be constructed without
crossing the park.
Recommendations
It is recommended that the Division follow the recommendations of the Park Master Plan
(2003), developed and adopted after extensive public input, which states:
Auger Hole Road is represented in this master plan as a gated, but open
road for public use. Based on the current agreement, Auger Hole Road
will remain open until a more suitable route to the game lands can be
established.
A more appropriate permanent route to the game lands should be established. Until that
time, the Division of Parks and Recreation should continue to attempt to secure a formal
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use agreement with the Wildlife Resources Commission which includes specific shared
cost and responsibilities of each agency. If such an agreement cannot be secured, the
Division will only continue to operate the road as long as it is in a condition conducive to
use and will only expend funds for its maintenance to the extent that such funds benefit
the park’s operation.
found this trail............... from the Old North State rover guys:
may not be a good one for the the FJ event because it is near Blowing rock NC, but it would be another fun, expedition type outing for the club
killer topo map with way points courtesy of the Rover guys
http://www.theoldnorthstate.org/adventure/pdf/richlandgap.PDF
and pic of the trail here:
http://www.theoldnorthstate.org/history/437136-R1-05-20.JPG
http://www.theoldnorthstate.org/history/scottrgap.jpg
http://www.theoldnorthstate.org/history/mitchrgap.jpg
may not be a good one for the the FJ event because it is near Blowing rock NC, but it would be another fun, expedition type outing for the club
killer topo map with way points courtesy of the Rover guys
http://www.theoldnorthstate.org/adventure/pdf/richlandgap.PDF
and pic of the trail here:
http://www.theoldnorthstate.org/history/437136-R1-05-20.JPG
http://www.theoldnorthstate.org/history/scottrgap.jpg
http://www.theoldnorthstate.org/history/mitchrgap.jpg
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man I just love these rover guys, they have a killer site!!!
here is A USGS map of the Cullowhee expedition area Alex has been talking about........ it has way points and everything!!!
http://www.theoldnorthstate.org/adventure/pdf/caney.PDF
here is the whole site: http://www.theoldnorthstate.org
man finding these new trails has got me jacked......... I am ready for some expedition wheeling FJ Cruiser or not
here is A USGS map of the Cullowhee expedition area Alex has been talking about........ it has way points and everything!!!
http://www.theoldnorthstate.org/adventure/pdf/caney.PDF
here is the whole site: http://www.theoldnorthstate.org
man finding these new trails has got me jacked......... I am ready for some expedition wheeling FJ Cruiser or not
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Good research
Way to go JP. Ask about necessity of hunting license.
How about a S.C. one? It also sounds like they are
getting ready to close it again as make "improved" access
to the hunting areas. We need to get in there QUICK.
The tie in to Muster Grounds is perfect. I've been told
there is a "pig trail" to Rosman from MG. Wouldn't THAT
be sweet! MG has several camp areas. Like Hunt Camp #1.
Please scout this out. If not for the FJCruiser.....for your old buddies.
MG does NOT require hunting license. I'm curious about N.C. requirements.
Ask how much a non-resident license cost, please.
Auger Hole.......I can't believe it.
Now...back to that 27 inch deep and wide river we're looking for.
Way to go JP. Ask about necessity of hunting license.
How about a S.C. one? It also sounds like they are
getting ready to close it again as make "improved" access
to the hunting areas. We need to get in there QUICK.
The tie in to Muster Grounds is perfect. I've been told
there is a "pig trail" to Rosman from MG. Wouldn't THAT
be sweet! MG has several camp areas. Like Hunt Camp #1.
Please scout this out. If not for the FJCruiser.....for your old buddies.
MG does NOT require hunting license. I'm curious about N.C. requirements.
Ask how much a non-resident license cost, please.
Auger Hole.......I can't believe it.
Now...back to that 27 inch deep and wide river we're looking for.
I can't seem to find any trails in SC that are legal and meet the requirements the federal goverment has taken them all away from us............ however I am excited about the number of trails with in the local NC area for future club rides!!!
the federal goverment has taken them all away from us............ however I am excited about the number of trails with in the local NC area for future club rides!!!
okay....... still looking for trails. Anyone who was on the Sept. Joecasse trip remembers when we were looking for trails and the locals sent us down that forest service road off of Warwoman rd. ??? we went off the gravel road onto what appeared to be trails..... everyone got kinda jumpy and was afraid it was illegal trails and we bailed out. Well it turns out we were right on the the verge of miles and miles of 4wd trails. After viewing the USGS maps I found out where we were and according to them it is legit jeep trails, also I checked them out on mapquest and they show up as 4wd drive roads...........and they go on all kinds of directions with lots of stream crossing we really need to go back and explore one weekend!!!
we really need to go back and explore one weekend!!!
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ClemsonCruiser said:man I just love these rover guys, they have a killer site!!!
here is A USGS map of the Cullowhee expedition area Alex has been talking about........ it has way points and everything!!!
http://www.theoldnorthstate.org/adventure/pdf/caney.PDF
here is the whole site: http://www.theoldnorthstate.org
man finding these new trails has got me jacked......... I am ready for some expedition wheeling FJ Cruiser or not
Well i'll be damned!!!
SCJO06 said:
dang matt, good to see you on the board, where you been
Problem was the road had a big steel barrier on it and the only way around it was to go up a trail designated for horses only.
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Scouting is this Weekend
Okay, here it is:
The location scout (jeff) is traveling to the Upstate this weekend. This means we need to offer solid suggestions by Wed. at the latest.
Still, I think he may opt to go to Tellico for the Fain Creek crossing. Also, do I have any volunteers who wish to assist him in the search?
Okay, here it is:
The location scout (jeff) is traveling to the Upstate this weekend. This means we need to offer solid suggestions by Wed. at the latest.
Still, I think he may opt to go to Tellico for the Fain Creek crossing. Also, do I have any volunteers who wish to assist him in the search?
Trollhole said:
nope...... there was another road the one I first went down, but I do believe you are right the one trail probaly was not the jeep trails, either way I intend to go back and check it out, with the limited areas we have for off roading it is worth a few hours of my time, especially when the trails show up on road maps.......
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ALEXGAR said:
Alex, I'd be up for helping show him around, but I don't wish to go all the way to Tellico.......... besides he doesn't really need us there anyways it is pretty straight forward.
If we propose any of the other trails closer to home like Burrells ford or the Cullowhee area I would be more than happy to help, it just that Tellico is twice the distance of these other places.
Just let me know