im planning on putting on p/s and was curious as to what people thought was the best bang for the buck or what you prefer on your rig.. im looking into the scout unit or the fj60 unit im not liking the saginaw that sits between the bumper and body. any opinions is appreciated much.
more mild trail, i little street. i dont like the hole thats cut in the frame in the front with the saginaw and where does a whinch go? what do you run poser?
Also depends on what size tires you are running or want to run and if you want to do much of it yourself. The mini box and Sag pump is what I have and I was able to do it myself. But if you are running or intend to run anything 35" and bigger, it is not the thing to do.
The best saginaw conversions I've seen have reinforced the hole in the frame. So if you can weld, you can gusset it, tube it or a combination of both to strengthen the crossmember.
I currently have 31x10.50's but I'm thinking about 33x9.50's and any wheeling I've done is mild.
There is nothing wrong with the sag conversion if done right. And you do eliminate the centerarm.
GL
Ed
I run the FJ60 pump and I think a mini truck box with an old CCOT bracket set. I like the JT Outfitters set up: bolt on bracket for box (mini truck to orig holes in frame) and bracket for Saginaw pump only. No frame cutting, cheap and reliable pump. I see you have a V8; I think this will cause you problems if you keep the original box location and change boxes; ask JTO for sure. Very little room to the side with a V8. In fact, some have shaft clearance issues with a V8 and the Saginaw set up you don't like. Runs Very close to exhaust manifold or headers.
Oh, and the Toyota set up is great for my tire size: 33s and moderate wheeling. I hear anything bigger than 35s and you really need all Saginaw; no experience though. I like the stock look of my set up.
hmmm. i have 33 on there now and i always rub on the rod next the tire if i did mini truck that bar would stay which i dont like. im leaning toward scout. i think i could handle it as far as doing it myself. any other opinions out there?
Like poser said the big Warn fits fine with a saginaw. I run this set-up on my DD '74 with 35s and am very pleased. If you are SOA I would recommend high-steer with the tie-rod behind the axle...
The FJ60 steering box is IMHO the best thing going for a PS conversion in a '40. Great road feel and plenty of power. It is PTO friendly and also works well with low mount planetarywinches (but I agree that the 8274 is the best electric winch for a '40). It is a clean installation which can be do without cutting the frame and with all Toyota parts. This box can be modified for ram assist in the saem manner that the Saginaw boxes are. But unless you are running some BIG tires, you will not need this mod.
The Scout box is a nice setup too. Installs much like the '60 box since it is basically the same configuration. It is a little larger, it has a little less road feel and it is a bit more powerful. A bit more fab/comversion work to connect the linkages, but all straightforward stuff. It is as powerful as the GM style Saginaw, but seems to provide a better feel. It of course is PTO friendly just like the '60 box, and can be adapted for ram assist in exactly the saem way that the GM Saginaw is.
For running 40s and larger on difficult trails (deep mud, deep ruts, big rocks and slow speeds) go with the scout. For anything else the '60 box gets my vote.
I also run the Saginaw in front with the 8274 on my 40. It's ok as far as conversions go.
On the 45lwb, I'm gonna try the fj60 conversion Mark W described. I've read his article in the TT on it a few times now, and I really like the idea of being able to move the box along the frame until I get the alignment of the relay rod in the sweet-spot for the rig. The standard Saginaw mount in front of the frame leaves too much of an angle between the relay and main steering rod, which increases bump steer.
The big issue with the Scout and 60 boxes is the left front shock tower, which Mark and others solved with a replacement shock tower from a Ford that costs some silly cheap price like $12 brand new! No more issue. I found the Ford PN with a thread search, but lost it in the meantime.
I'm getting ready to put a 350/H55 (thanks for the reply lone gunman) in mine with FJ60 PS and there is considerably more room than if you go Saginaw. I will get the camera after work for pics. Let me know if there is specific wants. I am very happy with it so far but I haven't put my shock towers in yet.
Hey...Its my first post ever here!!
Anyway...I've been running the Saginaw box for years with no problems. Don't hack the crossmember like some people do...just use a hole saw and make the hole just big enough for the joint. I would also avoid the JTOutfitters bracket and fab something in place of the smog pump if I were to do it again. The bracket just doesn't align without without grinding and washers,etc.
welcome killer pea, thanks for your input. Bret if you could and if its not a big deal give me some steps you took im really excited to get going, measurements would be awesome.
I vote for Saginaw - i checked most of the tech here and talked to some guys about the conversions and the general concensus i was that the saginaw kinda forces you to reinforce the front frame rails and beef everything up. Cutting the crossmember is super easy, the holesaw or hot wrench works very well. a couple gussets if you are really worried about strength. Getting a mounting plate made is pretty easy, lots of people sell them or the plans are around her in tech section. I just fabbed a stouter bumper and didn't worry 'bout the crossmember much. Got my stuff for SOA and PS all at same time, I'm really sad that Butch Lewis passed away, he helped me a lot with my build decisions. :sad:
I guess it depends a lot on your shop availability and welding skills, some of the other mods are almost strictly bolt-on.
