Power Steering Gear Box 105 Series Sector Shaft/Pitman Arm Upgrade

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LandCruiserPhil said:
Does one need to go west texas off road with special info to put this together or just tell them you are want to go to hydro on an 80 series?
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I dont remember any special info that i had to pass on. I think maybe i called them to ask before i filled out the form and shipped mine. If i remember correctly, they told me just to put everything in the box and they would know what to do when they got it. I did remove my old pitman arm before sending mine so they didnt have to but i dont remember if that was necessary or not.

I want to say the new sector shaft removed most of the play in mine but not 100% of it. Its still doesnt have much play after 8-9 yrs of being thrashed.
 
The West Texas web site (HOME | wtor) says they will remove your pitman arm if you need them to.
 
44110-60212 power steering gear box

45411-60360 pitman arm

I noticed in Onur's rebuild thread here that he also replaced or refreshed a steering shaft of some sort and u-joint. Does anyone have the part #s handy that I'm still missing above? I'd like to update my steering system as new.

Thanks!
 
As an FYI, I tried to order the 45411-60360 pitman arm from McGeorge Toyota and was told that it is a non-import part #.

"please also note that part number 44111-60060 that you originally ordered is a "non-import" part and is unavailable within the U.S., so we would not be able to get that part number regardless"
 
jonheld said:
As an FYI, I tried to order the 45411-60360 pitman arm from McGeorge Toyota and was told that it is a non-import part #.

"please also note that part number 44111-60060 that you originally ordered is a "non-import" part and is unavailable within the U.S., so we would not be able to get that part number regardless"
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44111-60060 is the sector shaft. Your quoted statement above indicates they say the sector is non-import, not the pitman.

The pitman should NOT be considered non-import as it is part of the set-substitution for the superseded 80 Series box which is actually a 105 box.

the 44111-60060 has been incorrectly tagged as a non-import part due to the original application. Since it is a replacement part for the superseded box it should be a live number. I danced this dance with TMS USA several years ago and got them to lift the tag. It must have been stuck back on recently.
 
cruiserdan said:
44111-60060 is the sector shaft. Your quoted statement above indicates they say the sector is non-import, not the pitman.

The pitman should NOT be considered non-import as it is part of the set-substitution for the superseded 80 Series box which is actually a 105 box.

the 44111-60060 has been incorrectly tagged as a non-import part due to the original application. Since it is a replacement part for the superseded box it should be a live number. I danced this dance with TMS USA several years ago and got them to lift the tag. It must have been stuck back on recently.
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Oops... Not paying attention to the part numbers. Sorry about that chief.

In any case, I spend enough money with mcgeorge. Spreading it around.
 
cruiserdan said:
44111-60060 is the sector shaft. Your quoted statement above indicates they say the sector is non-import, not the pitman.

The pitman should NOT be considered non-import as it is part of the set-substitution for the superseded 80 Series box which is actually a 105 box.

the 44111-60060 has been incorrectly tagged as a non-import part due to the original application. Since it is a replacement part for the superseded box it should be a live number. I danced this dance with TMS USA several years ago and got them to lift the tag. It must have been stuck back on recently.
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Is there a specific place we can point these people to in their books or databases, where they can look and confirm the superseded part number replacement as OEM North America?
 
jaymar said:
Is there a specific place we can point these people to in their books or databases, where they can look and confirm the superseded part number replacement as OEM North America?
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Not exactly as the parts catalog only shows the superseded box part number and does not recognize that some of the guts are different.
You have to get a Parts Analyst (dealer/manufacturerer communications level) on the phone and tell the tale about how the box changes and "how am I going to help my customer out here when he needs a sector shaft for this new box he bought?".
 
cruiserdan said:
Not exactly as the parts catalog only shows the superseded box part number and does not recognize that some of the guts are different.
You have to get a Parts Analyst (dealer/manufacturerer communications level) on the phone and tell the tale about how the box changes and "how am I going to help my customer out here when he needs a sector shaft for this new box he bought?".
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Sounds like fun.
 
So I had a long and involved saga with doing the 105 sector shaft upgrade through West Texas Offroad/Redneck Ram.
This all started with me trying to source a used box to send out to them so I didn't down my LX450.

One of our club members was parting out an 80 and offered to send the box directly to them on my behalf. I sourced the 105 sector shaft and hardware and sent it out. Both shipments had duplicates of all paperwork.

About a week later I got a call from WTO saying that the sector shaft doesn't fit because this box is not from an 80. Now the guy I got the box from swears up and down that it came off a 94 that was in his driveway and, quite frankly, I believe him. I know him for many years and he's a good guy.

At this point WTO offered to keep the box he sent and swap it for no charge with an 80 box that had been previously rebuilt and was sitting on the shelf. They would swap the sector shafts and send it to me for just the cost of the rebuild and shipping. OK, fine. Sounds good.

Fast forward a few weeks and I decided to swap boxes on a sunny day. The box I got from WTO was basically a rusted hulk that was painted over, but I decided to continue with the swap. Then I noticed that the low pressure port was a nice oval shape because the box sustained an impact on the corner that was flattened and painted over. There was no way that this box could have ever been pressure tested.

I contacted WTO and sent them pictures. They were very apologetic and offered to swap out the worm gear housing, but I would have to send the box back to them. Then all of this COVID-19 panic hit and I decided that it just wasn't worth it. And the more I though about it, the more I didn't want to put an old rusty box on my truck.

I want to reiterate that WTO/Redneck Ram offered to make this right and it was MY decision to not do it.

The hardest part of this was getting the old pitman arm off. Using a 2 jaw puller and a variety of implements of destruction it was a no go. I took out my IR2131 and cranked up the pressure, and it just laughed at it.
I wound up using a 22" breaker bar with a 3' length of pipe, and kept cranking on it until she popped.
You will also need a decent torque wrench, as the mounting bolts want 105ft/lbs and the pitman arm nut wants 130ft/lbs. I highly suggest following the FSM for reassembly instructions torque specs.

105 and 80 pitman arms:
Pitman Arms.webp


My pristine OEM steering box with the pitman arm removed:
LX450 Steering Box.webp


Damaged box from WTO:
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Sounds like someone put a box from a later 60 series on the part's 80. Certainly possible anyways...
 
I had WTO rebuild my 97’s box and do the 105 shaft swap. I also had them port for a ram. The had box functioned fine for 250k miles with no leaks or issues (just getting a little loose). I went with them because they got good reviews on Mud.

The first time I installed the box, it went on fine but started leaking severely after a few miles. The adjusting screw on the top came loose. It was NOT the hose connections.

I sent it back (at my cost $50) and they “rebuilt” it again. I reinstalled it, again the same problem. This time I sent them a video of it leaking and me able to turn the the screw/nut with my fingers. Sent it back again, another $50. They rebuilt it again.

I had swapped on another old steering box (again worked fine, just a little loose). Tired of dealing with the problem, the rebuilt one sat in the garage for a year. My son installed it without permission.

The first thing I did was paint pen mark the adjustment screw and nut relative to the box. After getting it bled, it leaked again! Just not as bad as the first 2 times.

Careful examination, NOT leaking out of adjustment screw this time. It was leaking out of one of the capped ram ports. Tightened the cap down, leak stopped.

WTO made it right, it took 3 tries and I had to eat shipping.
 
I Lean said:
I got a rebuilt box for my F350 from Redhead. Expensive, but zero problems.
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My 80 box is still leaking and I about to use a local shop for the overhaul but what's the rebuild vs. reseal that Redhead does? How expensive? Is it less than say $1200 for a new box? :P
 
I am sorry to hear how their recent work has been. Their reputation has clearly been tarnished. In the past I would not have hesitated to recommend or use them myself. Not so much now.
 
Dissent said:
My 80 box is still leaking and I about to use a local shop for the overhaul but what's the rebuild vs. reseal that Redhead does? How expensive? Is it less than say $1200 for a new box? :p
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I'm remembering something like $450 for the rebuild. Ish.
 
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