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[WarDamnEagle]

@WarDamnEagle comments on lighting on @Hugh Heifer shop provides some good info. I wish I had gone about this with the technical aspect he has. I basically have my shop set up with 6 20'x23' bays where each will house a vehicle. The height is 12' over each bay. May original plan was to put 2 15-20k LED flat lights in each bay probably 5' apart. Then in the middle section where the ceiling is 24' I was thinking a single 30K LED each 20' section.
Now I am just assuming how well this will light up each section.

I looked at the tool to assess this but it doesn't account for the open middle 1/3rd of the building. Does this seem to sound like a decent plan or am I way off? My dear friend who is going to help with electricity quoted 30k LED lights but we haven't pulled trigger on anything yet.

Not quite enough information to give a complete opinion and I'm too lazy to go back through your thread to fill in the gaps. In a 20' x 23' bay with lights at 12', I would be thinking more around 12k lumens with 3 or 4 fixtures. The 24' high bay area sounds like it would need 20k to 30k lumen fixtures but I would need to know the other dimension (20' x ?) to comment on number of fixtures. In general though, more fixtures at lower lumens will result in more even lighting. However, there's always more to it than just back of the envelope platitudes. That tool is very useful. Break your shop into different sections and run each one separately.

 

[WarDamnEagle]

Actually, depending on what you want to do in those bays, 20' x 23' might need as many as 6 fixtures at 12k or 10k. Also, 4' LED "fluorescent" tube fixtures are something to consider at that height. Again, are you just storing stuff and need to be able to see fairly well or are you wanting to actually work in there? Huge difference between lighting for 50 footcandles at 30" and 100 footcandles.

 

[greenbeast]

Sometimes the brain is way ahead of the fingers typing this stuff. Shop is 70' wide 80' deep. The south and north aspects of the shop have 12' ceilings, the width is essentially 23' and 70-80' foot deep. the middle 3rd also 23' wide has a 24' ceiling. There are no walls between each section, it is entirely open.

Greg, its essentially a car barn, the wife isn't going to be allowed to store crap in it. I would like enough light to work on each vehicle since I have 2 and probably a 3rd project in the works. I got to playing around with the tractor and planter as I intend of planting some Rye grass tomorrow, I intended on getting some
current pics since they were able to put the trusses on top today while I was working.

Only pic today when going out to the tractor

 

[greenbeast]

Work yesterday was a little more cerebral than I planned so no work on lights just yet. Once crew left for the day I got in and took some pics.

Planning on black commercial steel garage doors and exterior doors.

Had old ford windshield replaced yesterday, can’t wait to get it in its stall!

Beautiful day this afternoon working the land.

As this things comes together I’m looking forward to insulating it, blow in some insulation on the rafters after I drywall it. Windows here next week and are black 5x6’s. White exterior with board and batten.

 

[WarDamnEagle]

You’re going to need lots of lights. Model the center by itself and the one of the side sections by itself. That will give you a good idea of what you need.

edit: also think about what you are doing and the potential for major shadows. For example, in that high bay, you can probably get serious lighting with a row of major lights down the middle but what happens when you park stuff down the middle? By placing two rows of slightly less serious lights spaced 1/3 or 1/4 of the distance to the walls you get much more even lighting distribution.

 

[greenbeast]

Looking at @Michael B thread I like the corrugated metal siding. But may do lower border to the bottom of the windows with wood edge, then sheet rock above that. I have quite a bit of the stuff we pulled off another barn we just redid. Still trying to ways to repurpose the old house on other side of the tractor and the old barn.

 

[greenbeast]

You’re going to need lots of lights. Model the center by itself and the one of the side sections by itself. That will give you a good idea of what you need.

edit: also think about what you are doing and the potential for major shadows. For example, in that high bay, you can probably get serious lighting with a row of major lights down the middle but what happens when you park stuff down the middle? By placing two rows of slightly less serious lights spaced 1/3 or 1/4 of the distance to the walls you get much more even lighting distribution.

Funny that has been something I’m thinking about. Dropping the lights down some of somehow projecting the light downward as there is little need to light the side walls in the upper section. Downside of dropping some lights is I would be looking at the all the time from my office window.

 

[WarDamnEagle]

If the sidewalls are relatively reflective (aka whitish and not darkish) then you don’t gain a lot by dropping them.

 

[greenbeast]

I’m out of town but wife says guys got a lot done today and it shows.
Most of the windows are in.cannot wait to get home and just sit inside it.

 

[Michael B]

Ummm you should let your wife take pictures for you going forward

Beautiful shop!

 

[greenbeast]

I’m resistant to learning how to use all the fancy crap on these phones…

 

[greenbeast]

My turn to get serious about lifting now, much thanks for everyone who has done this before me!

Breaking the shop up into sections and finally slowing down my brain to focus on doing some learning and calculating what I need.

From my reading it looks like 50-100 foot candle is a figure I need to pursue. I chose 80 as a happy medium although I do like the 100 with a dimmer @WarDamnEagle is choosing to do. There are no interior walls so not sure what to do with the reflective side of things.

 

[greenbeast]

Is there an ideal distance between plugs on the walls? Originally I was thinking about a 4 plug box evenly between each window, but now I’m wondering if a box around a foot on each side of windows would be better, after all more is almost always better?

 

[greenbeast]

Garage doors ordered yesterday.
All exterior doors including the garage doors will be black with row of windows.

Window for my office delivered today, one heavy son of a gun!

 

[greenbeast]

The barn is taking on many other uses as it comes to fruition. While thinking of how I wanted to put a shop sink in opposite of the bathroom sink my barbecue mind came to life.

Instead of the shop sink I’ve decided to consider a steel food prep table with a sink. This way I can trim briskets and ribs. Put sausage grinder and stuffer on it along with a small fridge. I like to make my own rubs so all those supplies can be shelved underneath. Knives could be helps by magnetic strip above the work station.

 

[WarDamnEagle]

My turn to get serious about lifting now, much thanks for everyone who has done this before me!

Breaking the shop up into sections and finally slowing down my brain to focus on doing some learning and calculating what I need.

From my reading it looks like 50-100 foot candle is a figure I need to pursue. I chose 80 as a happy medium although I do like the 100 with a dimmer @WarDamnEagle is choosing to do. There are no interior walls so not sure what to do with the reflective side of things.



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Jon, for $10 per fixture more you can get the ones with the lens cover. I think that will diffuse the light much better. What you selected was basically the ones that I chose but without the cover. Of course 15,000 lumens is too much for 12' ceilings but 12,000 would work.

 

[greenbeast]

noted Greg, I will do a little more "figurins" shame I just put my boots back on also. I'm definitely planning on lens covers

 

[Michael B]

I don’t think you can have too many electrical outlets.

 

[Ol Yeller]

Wall receptacles, figure out where the wall bench will be…those need to be high, I placed all others about 2’ up off the floor so it’s easier to plug in, also equipment plugs at that height seem to work good. Spacing about every 8 to 12 feet, one on either side of doors or obstructions. I missed a couple of spots and kick myself.

I also ran all 12ga and 20a breakers to plugs, only lighting is in 14ga on 15a breakers…no nuisance tripping.

Ran welder plugs both by the lift and by the corner with welding table.

Also put an RV plug outside, but I store it there all winter so as required.

Coulda had more exterior lights, storage areas outside are black…not ideal when could have had a switched light.

 

[greenbeast]

Good points for sure, I intend on the 12ga and 20 amp for plugs. The wife and I will most likely be living in this place for several months when we get our house started and with everything else going on I forgot about the RV plug. I also have to install one on backside where I promised guy I purchased the property from I would. I gave my word he and his son could hunt turkey and deer there as long as they wish and park their camper in back. Their 40 acres was the only parcel at the end of the dead end road. He and his son are good people so letting them hunt is well worth the payoff of having control of all the acreage where the road ends.