Not mine, but supposed 2016 Land Cruiser Double Cab Pickup for sale...
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Well that was repetitive. Not surprised to see law enforcement involved.
No when that day comes it’ll probably be a black Tahoe. Or five.
So unnecessary. If only that owner had done a little bit of manufacturing...
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This thread is unbelievable but quite entertaining. I was trying to stay neutral and objective while taking in all the characters involved in this thread. It's a drama. There are several who keep stirring the pot, while others were seemingly trying to remain objective and somewhat diplomatic in hopes of this perceived pipe dream becoming a reality. Others chimed in and provided substantive responses and/or posed legitimate questions concerning the risks associated with such an endeavor. This is a costly and risky endeavor.
Several have asked to what end? What is the scam here? I've asked the same thing. What is anyone going to get out of such a lengthy, involved, complicated process of this fabrication? If it is a scam, hope it's worth it.
Mike the bro of John is bad for business. That much is clear. He may be a mechanical genius but when it comes to business, family is either onboard and singing the same tune as the "boss" or CEO, in this case, now being John. Mike is a loose cannon with a shoddy history of RIPPING people off through real estate and automobile scams. It is documented and irrefutable. He is bad for any business model, let alone one which the new to-the-scene entrepreneurs are somewhat seemingly flaky themselves.
Don't get me wrong, I don't know Mike or John or anyone here for that matter, I'm new to the forum but have been reading every night trying to learn about the formidable Land Cruiser. Some constants in this thread are the continual battering of John and his business. IMHO, it's warranted. There are informed buyers and auto enthusiasts here who really know their s***. Or at least it seems like it. I write that the battering is warranted but that statement is caveated with the following: Mike is bad for business. Get rid of him. If you can't, or won't then you'll have skeptics until you do. If you can't or won't provide proof of concept with either paperwork or undeniable pictures then, you will be battered for trying to sell an idea for upwards of 75K and more.
John, you sound like a well informed and patient man with a positive outlook on life. I can't understand why the transparency came so late and to be honest, you're still not coming right out and saying what the actual case seems to be. Why do we as potential customers have to pull the information from you guys? From my perspective, it seems like you may be trying to get these autos to remain in the US indefinitely and legally. But you're not there yet. Not even close but you haven't come out and actually said that. You provide some inspirational prose about adversity and overcoming negativity but that's not what I'm interested in. I want something real and viable. Something I can walk up and drive anywhere in the US and elsewhere without worry of registration, insurance, or seizure. In my opinion, you're a business. This half-cocked, half-assed going in without your ducks in a row into a forum full of people with knowledge, technical and industrial knowledge, was a rookie mistake. Having your brother involved was icing on the cake. You owe us more, we are entitled to it. You simply haven't delivered despite your positivity.
What respectable business model is this? "Hey do you want that thing everyone wants and dreams of? My brother and I can get it for you! No one in the entire nation can get it except us. Even though no one else can do it legally, we can. We found a loophole and even the giant TMS/TMC can't stop us. But I won't show you pictures of what you want/what I'm selling. Oh wait, here's a pic. I wont show you any documentation because I'm not here to teach you our business on importing. Here's a screenshot of cargo destined to arrive at a port. Contents unidentified. I'll be as transparent to you as Trump's tax records pre-election. I'm not in in for the money but I have two different accounts online for donations. I want you to give me your email and money. By the way, my brother is not part of the business but he had and still has everything to do with it's success. But don't worry, he is only a documented criminal for automobile fraud and other things. He is a genius so he's probably conflicted in some way and this is the result of that. But as I mentioned before, 'I'm not my brothers keeper'. Thanks, I look forward to doing business with you."
I think transparency is dearly lacking and severely delayed and this has smelled funky since before the ebay ad. If I'm wrong about this, then Tall Poppy Syndrome or not, I think you all need to start with a clean slate under a different brand and different cast. I'm not sure your reputation can survive the damage done here. I think it is farther reaching than you may realize. This is business, not personal. I think you need to harness that mantra. Good luck to you guys and even better luck to anyone who takes the risks with these guys.
Several have asked to what end? What is the scam here? I've asked the same thing. What is anyone going to get out of such a lengthy, involved, complicated process of this fabrication? If it is a scam, hope it's worth it.
Mike the bro of John is bad for business. That much is clear. He may be a mechanical genius but when it comes to business, family is either onboard and singing the same tune as the "boss" or CEO, in this case, now being John. Mike is a loose cannon with a shoddy history of RIPPING people off through real estate and automobile scams. It is documented and irrefutable. He is bad for any business model, let alone one which the new to-the-scene entrepreneurs are somewhat seemingly flaky themselves.
Don't get me wrong, I don't know Mike or John or anyone here for that matter, I'm new to the forum but have been reading every night trying to learn about the formidable Land Cruiser. Some constants in this thread are the continual battering of John and his business. IMHO, it's warranted. There are informed buyers and auto enthusiasts here who really know their s***. Or at least it seems like it. I write that the battering is warranted but that statement is caveated with the following: Mike is bad for business. Get rid of him. If you can't, or won't then you'll have skeptics until you do. If you can't or won't provide proof of concept with either paperwork or undeniable pictures then, you will be battered for trying to sell an idea for upwards of 75K and more.
John, you sound like a well informed and patient man with a positive outlook on life. I can't understand why the transparency came so late and to be honest, you're still not coming right out and saying what the actual case seems to be. Why do we as potential customers have to pull the information from you guys? From my perspective, it seems like you may be trying to get these autos to remain in the US indefinitely and legally. But you're not there yet. Not even close but you haven't come out and actually said that. You provide some inspirational prose about adversity and overcoming negativity but that's not what I'm interested in. I want something real and viable. Something I can walk up and drive anywhere in the US and elsewhere without worry of registration, insurance, or seizure. In my opinion, you're a business. This half-cocked, half-assed going in without your ducks in a row into a forum full of people with knowledge, technical and industrial knowledge, was a rookie mistake. Having your brother involved was icing on the cake. You owe us more, we are entitled to it. You simply haven't delivered despite your positivity.
What respectable business model is this? "Hey do you want that thing everyone wants and dreams of? My brother and I can get it for you! No one in the entire nation can get it except us. Even though no one else can do it legally, we can. We found a loophole and even the giant TMS/TMC can't stop us. But I won't show you pictures of what you want/what I'm selling. Oh wait, here's a pic. I wont show you any documentation because I'm not here to teach you our business on importing. Here's a screenshot of cargo destined to arrive at a port. Contents unidentified. I'll be as transparent to you as Trump's tax records pre-election. I'm not in in for the money but I have two different accounts online for donations. I want you to give me your email and money. By the way, my brother is not part of the business but he had and still has everything to do with it's success. But don't worry, he is only a documented criminal for automobile fraud and other things. He is a genius so he's probably conflicted in some way and this is the result of that. But as I mentioned before, 'I'm not my brothers keeper'. Thanks, I look forward to doing business with you."
I think transparency is dearly lacking and severely delayed and this has smelled funky since before the ebay ad. If I'm wrong about this, then Tall Poppy Syndrome or not, I think you all need to start with a clean slate under a different brand and different cast. I'm not sure your reputation can survive the damage done here. I think it is farther reaching than you may realize. This is business, not personal. I think you need to harness that mantra. Good luck to you guys and even better luck to anyone who takes the risks with these guys.
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Good post @Predator308 but here is the thing....
It doesn't matter what kind of asses these guys have made of themselves here. It doesn't matter if the brother has a record. It doesn't matter if everyone on mud knows these guys as crooks. If they have 79-series that are legal to buy, own and drive in the USA, well people will buy them.
And FYI, there is many many LC enthusiasts that have never even heard of this forum or have and don't visit it. And there is also thousands of people on here that only lurk.
Cheers
It doesn't matter what kind of asses these guys have made of themselves here. It doesn't matter if the brother has a record. It doesn't matter if everyone on mud knows these guys as crooks. If they have 79-series that are legal to buy, own and drive in the USA, well people will buy them.
And FYI, there is many many LC enthusiasts that have never even heard of this forum or have and don't visit it. And there is also thousands of people on here that only lurk.
Cheers
All --
We never claimed to be experts on Toyota 70 Series.
We are still not Toyota 70 Series experts, but we are getting smarter.
We stated that we had a means to make the 1VD-FTV V8 Turbo Diesel engine EPA certified.
We stated that we had a means to make the LC79 DOT/NHTSA compliant.
We stated that with EPA and DOT/NHTSA certification, the LC America would be available for LEGAL sale in the U.S.
We stated that with EPA and DOT/NHTSA certification, customers would be able to purchase the LC America and drive it anywhere in the US (and elsewhere) without worry of registration or insurance issues or seizure for non-compliance.
We remain convinced that our path to final EPA and DOT/NHTSA certification is valid.
Our initial business model involved looking for external funding sources. We were unsuccessful.
Our initial business model involved reaching out to Toyota 70 Series experts -- Slee and others -- for guidance. We were consistently turned away.
With one or two key exceptions -- and you know who you are -- we continue the LC America effort on our own.
We continue to look for external funding sources to speed our progress.
We continue to reach out to the Toyota 70 Series experts for guidance and / or assistance.
Not sure how much more transparent we can be.
John.
We never claimed to be experts on Toyota 70 Series.
We are still not Toyota 70 Series experts, but we are getting smarter.
We stated that we had a means to make the 1VD-FTV V8 Turbo Diesel engine EPA certified.
We stated that we had a means to make the LC79 DOT/NHTSA compliant.
We stated that with EPA and DOT/NHTSA certification, the LC America would be available for LEGAL sale in the U.S.
We stated that with EPA and DOT/NHTSA certification, customers would be able to purchase the LC America and drive it anywhere in the US (and elsewhere) without worry of registration or insurance issues or seizure for non-compliance.
We remain convinced that our path to final EPA and DOT/NHTSA certification is valid.
Our initial business model involved looking for external funding sources. We were unsuccessful.
Our initial business model involved reaching out to Toyota 70 Series experts -- Slee and others -- for guidance. We were consistently turned away.
With one or two key exceptions -- and you know who you are -- we continue the LC America effort on our own.
We continue to look for external funding sources to speed our progress.
We continue to reach out to the Toyota 70 Series experts for guidance and / or assistance.
Not sure how much more transparent we can be.
John.
Saying some things in one post does not mean you've been saying those things consistently. Comparing these statements to other statements from you (and the other person claiming to represent your company) leaves many questions. But thank you for setting the record straight. Still excited to see something that's legally for sale and less vapor-ware speak.
Agreed, and I am doing the best that I can do to be entirely transparent and consistent. Every day we move forward, make progress and fine tune our effort. Our goal is your hope -- that at the end of this initial effort, we have a vehicle that is EPA compliant and DOT/NHTSA certified and available for legal sale here in the U.S.
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One quick question, maybe I missed everyone talking about it along the way but don't you have to safety crash a number of vehicles to make them compliant? This is one thing that has been in the back of my mind during the duration. If so, seems like a big deal? Glad this thread is starting to go positive and friendly.
How do you expect anyone believe a word you say? Your story if forever changing....
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All --
Our current status -- where we are today -- is clearly laid out in Post 976 above.
If there is still something that you do not understand about where we are today, please ask and I will do my best to answer.
Our story has not changed but the path ahead has become clearer and more specific.
Our goal today is the same as our goal when we started this effort.
LC America is going to be the first company in the US to manufacture and sell EPA compliant and DOT/NHTSA certified Toyota 70 Series vehicles here in the US.
Not sure how much more consistent we can be.
John.
Our current status -- where we are today -- is clearly laid out in Post 976 above.
If there is still something that you do not understand about where we are today, please ask and I will do my best to answer.
Our story has not changed but the path ahead has become clearer and more specific.
Our goal today is the same as our goal when we started this effort.
LC America is going to be the first company in the US to manufacture and sell EPA compliant and DOT/NHTSA certified Toyota 70 Series vehicles here in the US.
Not sure how much more consistent we can be.
John.
Hello, John. Please respond to the following inquiry, directly and coherently.
This person would like to know how you plan to make your vehicles comply with NHTSA crash test ratings, which are requirement of all vehicles sold new in the United States.
Please clarify what you understand is required, and what your firm is doing to address these federal requirements. Thank you.
This entire thread should perhaps be moved to "chat" since it's basically a conversation about some future endeavor more so than an "actual" vehicle for sale.
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Has there ever been something for sale in this thread?
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BulletHead
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@mike mooradian , I did ask about the safety crash tests, post #931, I haven't received a response yet.
What say you @John Papp ?