So I gather you haven't gotten your geothermal system installed yet 
Expensive buggers, aren't they!
Expensive buggers, aren't they!
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cruiser_guy
Out of Africa / North Africa
I'm with you!! Once I entered the states when I did my trip in June and July I maxed out at 55mph. I stayed in the right lane and if folks wanted to go faster then they could go ahead and pass me. I didn't keep records of the fuel use but it did last noticeably longer (more miles covered per fill) at the slower speed. I moderated the skinny pedal to get about 600 F on the pyro.
crushers
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we sat down and crunched the figures. unless you are paying cash up front the interest each year on the line of credit is higher than what we pay for fuel.
it didn't make sense to switch and with heating oil down to $1.08.9 right now this years heating looks to be the same as last.
we will wait till we have the cash.
cheers M8
it didn't make sense to switch and with heating oil down to $1.08.9 right now this years heating looks to be the same as last.
we will wait till we have the cash.
cheers M8
So I gather you haven't gotten your geothermal system installed yet
Expensive buggers, aren't they!
Well I just got off calgarygasprices.com and for the first time in a year or so, the cheapest diesel (116.9) is less that the cheapest gas (118.9).
That's fantastic, I just checked qubecgasprices.com and it's down to $121.9 in Kanawake 
OTOH the Canadian Dollar has gone down almiost 7 cents in one months, comes to rpove we ARE an oil producing nation (when oil goes up our money is worth more), the only problem being WHY we are as consumers paying so much for our damn fuel!!! Or should I have said, the dollar is coming down because when the oil prices go down the government doesn't make as high a profit from taxes
OTOH the Canadian Dollar has gone down almiost 7 cents in one months, comes to rpove we ARE an oil producing nation (when oil goes up our money is worth more), the only problem being WHY we are as consumers paying so much for our damn fuel!!! Or should I have said, the dollar is coming down because when the oil prices go down the government doesn't make as high a profit from taxes
Are you suggesting that the oil companies sell the fuel to Canadians cheaper than they can sell it on the world market? If you had an oil well in your back yard would you sell the oil for cheap or would you expect to get world price for it? Why should Canadians pay less for fuel than anyone else?
First off many Latin American oil poducing countries sell fuel at less than the world prices. Can't say for the oil producing countries in the Middle East but its unlikely they are paying world prices either. "Subsidizing" national fuel consumption is not that uncommon. On the other hand, our governments in Canada prefer to tax the hell out of it. I'd be happy if they just removed 50% of the tax and stuff their carbon tax where it fits best. They sure aren't using the driving public's tax money to improve the roads.
Still dodging the question eh? If you had an oil well in your back yard would you sell the oil for cheap or would you expect to get world price for it? Of course other countries get world price for the oil they sell to America, why wouldn't they. That's why they formed OPEC, after all
crushers
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people go to work to make money...
the oil companies are no different, now, our government could cut back on their share of the greed...
the oil companies are no different, now, our government could cut back on their share of the greed...
First off, you should know that all natural resources are owned by the crown. So your question is pretty silly for the Canadian environment. I could only sell oil from my back yard if the government gave me license to do so. Its more likely a big oil company would be ripping up my back yard and kicking me out of my house - whether I agreed or not.
Second, my point was that fuel is being sold for much less than we pay in Canada. The large variation in cost from one country to the next is not just about refining costs and capacity and of course supply and demand. In most cases the high degree of variation is the result of government taxation of fuel and in some cases subsidization of fuel.
Don't take me wrong! I am NOT simply talking about the oil companies or price of the commodity itself (although I strongly believe speculation should be regulated, as it's the power of money over the power of the people, which should not be allowed in a democracy, but that's another issue).
I am talking about the prices at the pump. Being close to the source and close to the refiniries in my case, our fuel at the pump should be much cheaper than it is now. But no, our governments in their wisdom have decided that we won't protest the outrageously high taxes we pay, of which VERY LITTLE is put back where it should go, OUR ROAD SYSTEM.
There is NO VALID REASON why we have MUCH HIGHER prices here than for the same fuel 500 miles south of the border considering the fuel comes from the same exact refinery!
When I think that Americans in Maine a) actually PROTEST their "high" taxes, whereas we pay MORE PER LITRE than they pay PER GALLON, whereas their Gross Interior Product is MUCH HIGHER than ours, that they pay MUCH LOWER taxes and b) that Mainers can even get GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIES for their fuel! YOU BET I am ANGRY at the way we are treaed here!
And DON'T get me started on our 'great health system'... I hope no one in your family dies while waiting to be admitted in hospital... Also, why don't you check what is ACTUALLY covered... They call it "the HEALTH system" where in fact it's the "last resort system"... Try to get coverage for preventive medical services!!!
So YES, with all due respect, I do believe our fuel should cost us MUCH LESS!!!
In Canada, the problem is NOT the market price of crude. It's taxation and THE PRICE AT THE PUMP. Seems obvious to me, but then, I'm no lawyer
Agreed!!! In a democracy, the government is US and shall not PROFIT ON OUR BACKS but rather SERVE OUR INTERESTS!
What a bunch of whining and sniveling. Our fuel is significantly cheaper than the world average, most countries pay a lot more for fuel than we do and they don't enjoy the infrastructure we have. NationMaster - Gasoline prices (most recent) by country You want cheaper gas? Then go live in #103 Bangladesh: 0.75 #104 Ethiopia: 0.75 #105 Romania: 0.75 #106 Jordan: 0.74 #107 Tajikistan: 0.74 #108 Moldova: 0.74 #109 Kyrgyzstan: 0.72 #110 Syria: 0.72 #111 Uzbekistan: 0.7 #112 Botswana: 0.69 #113 Belarus: 0.68 #114 Laos: 0.67 #115 China: 0.66 #116 Thailand: 0.64 #117 Trinidad and Tobago: 0.64 #118 Mongolia: 0.62 #119 Vietnam: 0.62 #120 Philippines: 0.61 #121 Ukraine: 0.61 #122 Kazakhstan: 0.59 #123 Russia: 0.54 #124 Ecuador: 0.51 #125 Oman: 0.51 #126 Angola: 0.49 #127 Malaysia: 0.46 #128 Sudan: 0.46 #129 Nigeria: 0.44 #130 Algeria: 0.44 #131 Egypt: 0.43 #132 Libya: 0.41 #133 United Arab Emirates: 0.41 #134 Saudi Arabia: 0.39 #135 Kuwait: 0.34 #136 Ghana: 0.33 #137 Indonesia: 0.28 #138 Venezuela: 0.2 #139 Iran: 0.08 #140 Iraq: 0.05 #141 Turkmenistan: 0.03
Easy for you to admonish us mere mortals, Mr 20% Canola Oil Tax Evader
crushers
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i don't know, at the price of canola paying tax on regular diesel isn't so bad...
Good point...I admit I was a bit quick on the trigger there
I use fuel that's diesel plus 20% recycled canola with 10% stale gasoline for 30% savings, with no expensive modifications to the truck, no expensive chemicals, and no messy processing or waste glycerol to dispose. One hr per wk to collect and clean all the VO I need. It couldn't be easier. The truck starts with no smoke, runs smoother and quieter than diesel, no significant loss of MPG, and it passes all current emissions standards.
Five vehicles burning V20 produce less pollution than one vehicle on B99 [or SVO] plus 4 vehicles on diesel.
Some run higher percent VO blends, but I'm not greedy, 30% savings is enough for me.
The 70% diesel fuel comes from Cdn wells and the money I spend on petro diesel gives other Canuks jobs and lets them live a life as good as mine. No terrorist oil in my truck.
All non-petro fuel is tax exempt in this jurisdiction.
Five vehicles burning V20 produce less pollution than one vehicle on B99 [or SVO] plus 4 vehicles on diesel.
Some run higher percent VO blends, but I'm not greedy, 30% savings is enough for me.
The 70% diesel fuel comes from Cdn wells and the money I spend on petro diesel gives other Canuks jobs and lets them live a life as good as mine. No terrorist oil in my truck.
All non-petro fuel is tax exempt in this jurisdiction.
Okay. I will take that one (diesel was 1.03 US a US Gal when I was there in July). Or maybe I'll take one of the other Latin American countries. Though I hear that Thailand isn't bad either. Hmmm? Another thing they have in common is an abundance of real nice Cruisers and Patrols (new and old). Ya, I am still sniveling and whining.
I figure if oil (and the oil products) is free open world market then damn it the vehicles should also be free market.
Tapage
Club 4X4 Panamá
Yesterday fill both tanks of Marilu with " cheap " diesel ... 3.80 usd/gal
