Local Diesel Prices

[83bj60]

That's fantastic, I just checked qubecgasprices.com and it's down to $121.9 in Kanawake

I have to correct that, seems the page defaults to GAS prices so this is WAY off.

I tanked yesterday in St.-Janvier at the cheapesst station in the area and it cost me 137.9 per litre. In Boisbriand near Montreal, it was a shocking 145.9 per litre. That's a full 20 cents above what Wayne pays in Northern Ontario, and I'm less than 100km from one of the largest oil refinery compounds in the east (Montreal).

Yes, we ARE getting shafted here in Quebec. And BTW, John Galt, in THIS jurisdiction using veg oil in your engine is considered a crime the same as using heating oil. Typical two faced government for you, touting the green when in reality, as long as is is raking that green in.

So when you say Canada is so great, it doesn't necessarily apply to every jurisdiction. Remember, we are a 'distinct society'

 

[John Galt]

OK, instead of playing games, here's a webpage of fuel prices across Canukland
Fuel Prices by Province
notice that the taxes on fuel are also listed.
The govts of Quebec, Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, Newfoundland and Labrador all screw their subjects with diesel fuel taxes greater than the rest of the country, Quebec is not that unique.
When one looks at the facts, the situation is pretty much the same all over eastern Canukland.

 

[83bj60]

I guess you can see now why I'm whining and sniveling

 

[crushers]

it is crooked that the government charges carbon tax on bio diesel that has no carbon foot print.
i also find that is "evil" and a crime to run WVO in a vehicle in Ontario on the roads and you will be fined the same as running purple diesel.
it is incorrect for a government to toute itself as being a "green" government when they penalize individuals for trying to reduce their carbon foot print and at teh same tiem cut back on the waste going to the land fill sites.
here it is now illegal to burn used engien oil in the shop furnace but you have to return it.
i find it frustrating that the government uses the "enviromental concerns" as a way to increase taxes and fees. oil filters now have a $0.50 "enviromental tax" added to them. (think $0.50 per filter X30 million filters every 5000 km) with no rebate if you return them. ass to this the "enviro fee" that came out about 10 years ago on the oil jugs with no place to return them ANYWHERE.

if our government cared about the enviroment then these fees and taxes would be set aside into a enviro fund, NOT into a general slush fund.
if our goernment cared about our infrastructure then the highway tax on fuel would be set aside in a highway fund, NOT a slush fund.
if our government cared about it's people then they would reduce the tax paid on a liter of fuel when it reached $1 / L instead of takeing the extra tax generated and dumping it into a slush fund.

our government does NOT care about it's people, it cares about the profit it can make from the people. and that, my firends, is ALL the government cares about.

cheers M8s

 

[John Galt]

the "enviro fee" that came out about 10 years ago on the oil jugs with no place to return them ANYWHERE.

Not the case here, plenty of places to recycle used oil.
"ANYWHERE" is a pretty broad statement, and obviously not true.

 

[crushers]

John, old buddy, re-read the post, the JUGS are what is being charged for a fee. i know places take used oil, most dumps have recycle bins.
NO ONE has a place to take the jugs for the money back (you know, like pop cans, beer bottles etc) so they end up in the local garbage dump with the rest of the crap...
when this "tax" was put forth the government said there would be places to take the empties back... never happened.
this is what i was chatting about.

 

[canucksafari]

when this "tax" was put forth the government said there would be places to take the empties back... never happened.
this is what i was chatting about.

Same in BC. Only place in Abbotsford which takes them back where you buy them is Canadian Tire and they also take used oil. There is also one place which is a recycling depot which take empty oil and paint containers - but their hours don't match my wok hours. Now the real kicker is the enviro fee on coolant. I could not find one place to take it back. I ended up paying a rad shop to take it. The next one on my wife' car, I dumped in in old coolant and washer bottles back at Crappy Tire late at night. I figure that if they took my money for a fee to deal with the used stuff, then they damn well better take the used stuff back.

 

[John Galt]

All plastic gets recycled here. The environmental fees collected are used to fund the recycling. It's not a tax on the container like with beverage bottles, it's a tax to fund recycling.

Environmental fees on automotive products like tires, batteries, jugs of oil, filters, etc, is to pay for the recycling or safe disposal of the used oil and it's jug, the dead battery, and the worn out tire. It's not a deposit on the container like a wine bottle that you get refunded when you take the empty back. It's obvious that there's a misunderstanding of how environmental fees work.

Quibbling over a few cents 'refund' on plastic oil jugs is insane. Be thankful that recycling depots exist, else that garbage would be piling up on the roadsides like before.

 

[cruiser_guy]

Environmental fees on automotive products like tires, batteries, jugs of oil, filters, etc, is to pay for the recycling or safe disposal of the used oil and it's jug, the dead battery, and the worn out tire. It's not a deposit on the container like a wine bottle that you get refunded when you take the empty back. It's obvious that there's a misunderstanding of how environmental fees work.

Quibbling over a few cents 'refund' on plastic oil jugs is insane. Be thankful that recycling depots exist, else that garbage would be piling up on the roadsides like before.

Recyclers in B.C. will NOT take used engine oil containers for recycling (at least when I checked last they did not). They DO go in the garbage dump JUST LIKE BEFORE!!

What gets me ticked off is that I hear U.S. election advertising about Canadian oil in the U.S. and how they are sending all this money to Canada while we poor bastards in Canada pay MORE for the oil from our own backyard that is supposedly owned by us anyways?!?!? Why is it that Canadian oil when pumped at a U.S. station is cheaper than Canadian oil at a Canadian station?? I'm all for charging world oil prices for our oil when it is sent to others but it doesn't seem to be happening does it???

 

[canucksafari]

Recyclers in B.C. will NOT take used engine oil containers for recycling (at least when I checked last they did not). They DO go in the garbage dump JUST LIKE BEFORE!!

Not in Abbotsford. If you are caught they will fine you. Likelyhood of being caught is slim though. Hint: engine oil will eat through a garbage bag.

 

[cruiser_guy]

Not in Abbotsford. If you are caught they will fine you. Likelyhood of being caught is slim though. Hint: engine oil will eat through a garbage bag.

John, oil yes, containers no. When we lived in Surrey the took the old engine oil so long as it was in the original container. If you simply added oil to the engine and tried to recycle the container they tossed it out of the recycling box.

 

[John Galt]

OK so they didn't recycle the container, no big deal. I've heard it's a problem with the oil contaminating the plastics recycling process. It goes into the dump, not in the ditch, why is that a problem?
The oil gets recycled, which is what the environmental fee on a jug of oil is for.

 

[crushers]

what is the problem?
the problem is our government "taxes","fees,"permits" us on top of our outdated income tax, outdated GST tax (and in some provinces PST tax...
it isn't "a few cents", it is millions of dollars a year they are collecting for doing nothing. more money for the slush fund for a bunch of old aged grade one kids that do little but find ways to screw us more and more and more... how many "few cents" do we need taxed before even you stand up and say "ENOUGH!!".

THEY DO NOT NEED MORE OF OUR MONEY, they NEED to start using it wisely...

enviromental is just another way they can make us feel good about giving them money...

<i can feel my anger boiling so i am out of here, cheers M8s, enjoy>

 

[John Galt]

That's unfortunate that you've elected corrupt govts in your jurisdictions. Here the money from the fees pays for the recycling, it's that simple and all very transparent. That's too bad it doesn't work where you are. People here value the natural environment.

 

[83bj60]

Folks, this has been an extraordinary thread that has to be bookmarked for future readers. I can feel the seeds of a revolution brewing and it's high time things changed in the way government dealt with us, its electors and financial backers.

The problem with our government is that mandarins rule us instead of actually administering our interests and are too far removed from the concerns of daily life to understand that they are not spending other people's money, but in fact spending their own hard earned money. But then again, it's no wonder, with the fat salaries and pensions they are making.

The resentment is deep and generalized. It's no wonder so few citizens vote these days!

As long as the country is ruled by these short sighted, self righteous leeches who have never stepped out of their ivory towers and into the shoes of regular folks with bills to pay and money to hunt for survival, absurdities like fuel and road taxes 4 times higher than those of the United States, with road conditions 4 times worse, will continue happening.

So to the shortsighted mandarins who, in their deluded vision, claim they know what is best for us, I say:

Please stop taking us for idiots with your lies that "Costs are much higher here because the country is so vast" while in fact it's just as densely populated, but on a narrow band right next to the border with the US. 'Costly Infrastructure'? WHAT INFRASTRUCTURE!!! Just get outside of that narrow band and even try to get ANY service!!!

And for our 'honourable' provincial inquest commissioners, enough with the wasteful, unending rhetoric about who is responsible for our roads falling apart, our bridges falling apart, our medical system falling apart trying to shift the blame as far as possible from the politicians into the hands of those who were not given the tools to do the job right in the first place!

While you were busy protecting your asses, another bridge fell, another car broke its suspension on your glorious 'investment for the future' and another patient died of cancer waiting for a simple colonoscopy. Most of all, stop your wasteful, arrogant and offensive public relations campaigns putting the blame on regular folks all the while touting your great accomplishments as a government for the 'future of our great nation' while we are struggling to simply maintain what was acquired in the past!

People are fed up with the expensive snow jobs empty of any valuable content and it's high time we booted these people out and PUT THEM TO DO SOME REAL WORK!

 

[83bj60]

While I agree with you on all points I think it is much deeper than a simple change of government. The whole public service has a culture of entitlement (they expect that we the poor minions will continue to fund their paychecks because that's what we've done for years). No offence meant to individual folks in the government but most government services are typically done on the idea of "what is the least I can do and get away with" and "it's not my money so who cares".

I have close relatives who worked in the government and left because of the culture that pervades the whole department that they worked in. They tried to make a difference and were expected to simply "rubber stamp" whatever came across their desk even if it did not meet the guidelines they were supposed to be checking for!!

I agree 100% and that is the reason I say that the seeds of a revolution are sown and why I have been so radically un-Canadian saying that we need to "put them to work"... Not necessarily a revolution similar to the one in France in 1889, maybe more like the one in China during the cultural revolution!!!

I'm sorry I wasn't clear enough on that!

Like they say here, 'Plus ça change, plus c'est pareil', meaning a simple change of government party is insufficient change and that a genuine, in-depth, grass-roots revolution of the PEOPLE is necessary to change this mentality and start anew.

The way it's going now we are not ruled by Law, but by bickering, self-serving Lawyers. I see that everyday in my work, as we get more and more paralysed by edicts that are based on broad, flattening and completely technical rules instead of intelligence. Like that which is needed to understand that if you close a plastic bag on your head, you will suffocate

 

[John Galt]

The problem is the Lieberal idea that everyone is equally endowed with intelligence. To make this false supposition work, they've denied personal responsibility. In their mind people don't cause problems, THINGS do.
Thus their endless legislation banning and outlawing things that they deem to be causing trouble.
Guns and RHD vehicles for example.

As if banning guns would make a peaceful world; history shows that life was brutal, gritty, and short, long before gunpowder was invented.

 

[cruiser_guy]

The problem is the Lieberal idea that everyone is equally endowed with intelligence.

But this is getting WAY off topic folks. Let's get back to the topic of local diesel prices and how we can work to make it priced fairly.

 

[John Galt]

Define fair local pricing of diesel fuel.

 

[canucksafari]

Define fair local pricing of diesel fuel.

One that doesn't have more than the normal GST and the current provincial sales tax on it.