Help! She died today and won't turn over -UPDATE it's a spun bearing

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[Cgn1976]

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Hope it doesn't come the that but sadly wrapping my head around the possibility

 

[Cgn1976]

I wouldn't beat yourself up on the oil level. It's measuring above the low mark and these engines have such large oil volumes, that I doubt very seriously that this is the issue or even caused the issue, especially when driving on the fairly flat streets of Albuquerque.

Also, if you need an engine, keep an eye out for a 2F. They become available every so often and a running one can usually be had for less than $2k. I've shipped a 2F about 550 miles via yrc freight for $125 too, so shipping shouldn't be prohibitive if you find one near a yrc terminal.

I wouldn't beat yourself up on the oil level. It's measuring above the low mark and these engines have such large oil volumes, that I doubt very seriously that this is the issue or even caused the issue, especially when driving on the fairly flat streets of Albuquerque.

Also, if you need an engine, keep an eye out for a 2F. They become available every so often and a running one can usually be had for less than $2k. I've shipped a 2F about 550 miles via yrc freight for $125 too, so shipping shouldn't be prohibitive if you find one near a yrc terminal.

Does a 2F mean the 3 speed I have needs to go too or does that bolt up?

 

[Lifelong40Fan]

I was wondering the same thing as I was typing out the earlier response. I would guess that the 3 speed bellhousing doesn't fit the 2F, but I'm not sure. I'm sure this question can be answered fairly easily. @samc2447 what is the answer? However, if you need to swap in a 2F, it might be worth swapping in a 4 speed tranny/tcase too. My 45 has a 3 speed tranny and the unsynchronized first gear is a bit of a pain. But, the easiest thing would be a direct swap of an F or, hopefully, a 2F if it'll go right in.

 

[Cgn1976]

I was wondering the same thing as I was typing out the earlier response. I would guess that the 3 speed bellhousing doesn't fit the 2F, but I'm not sure. I'm sure this question can be answered fairly easily. @samc2447 what is the answer? However, if you need to swap in a 2F, it might be worth swapping in a 4 speed tranny/tcase too. My 45 has a 3 speed tranny and the unsynchronized first gear is a bit of a pain. But, the easiest thing would be a direct swap of an F or, hopefully, a 2F if it'll go right in.

Saw a thread that says it will fit as long as you use the flywheel for the 3 speed, which is obviously what I have. Gonna have to dig into what the process for throwing a 2F in a 73. Hopefully it's pretty straight forward....all this is assuming she's not gonna break loose still! lol. I guess I'm losing my faith that's gonna happen.

Probably wont get to work on it till Saturday or Sunday at this point so, so let the suspense build!

 

[Pighead]

This is, indeed, a mystery.
I think I'd pull the valve cover off to look for obvious damage. If none, and you still can't rotate the crank, then drop the oilpan and look for more obvious damage. If none, then start pulling connecting rods off the crank where you can reach them and inspect the bearings. If you still can't rotate the crank, start taking off main bearing caps until it will.
Conn rod bearings are cheap and easy to replace, if you can turn the crank.
A 3 speed bell housing does fit on a 2F block, in fact a lot of your F engine stuff will fit a 2F block.
It's just another terrific aspect of owning a LandCruiser.

 

[Cgn1976]

This is, indeed, a mystery.
I think I'd pull the valve cover off to look for obvious damage. If none, and you still can't rotate the crank, then drop the oilpan and look for more obvious damage. If none, then start pulling connecting rods off the crank where you can reach them and inspect the bearings. If you still can't rotate the crank, start taking off main bearing caps until it will.
Conn rod bearings are cheap and easy to replace, if you can turn the crank.
A 3 speed bell housing does fit on a 2F block, in fact a lot of your F engine stuff will fit a 2F block.
It's just another terrific aspect of owning a LandCruiser.

Well I got through the first few steps. pulled the dizzy. Fine. It was definitely seated. I moved it a tad and got it to sit low but not seated then dropped it right back where was when I pulled it. I'm very confident it's working and was fully seated.

I spun the oil pump by hand first and could hear the oil moving and dripping up in the valve cover. Spun it with a drill for minutes.

Pulled all plugs. They all looked fine. No damage.

Dropped the skid plate and got way more leverage with a crow bar. Not moving either direct. Locked solid.

Spun the oil pump more and tried the 3rd gear rock and roll action.....

Nothing. Still locked tight.

Guess it's pull the valve cover and oil pan and see what we see. Maybe this weekend.

Not looking good

 

[whitey45]

Did you check your oil pressure gauge while spinning the pump!

 

[whitey45]

Pull the pan, more than likely a spun main bearing.

 

[Cgn1976]

Did you check your oil pressure gauge while spinning the pump!

Didn't have a friend with me today. Will check it next time through....just had a thought while I was typing this... I can set my phone up and film the dash while I spin. might have to try this tonight

 

[Cgn1976]

Pull the pan, more than likely a spun main bearing.

keep in mind you're talking to a guy who had to just go and look up what that means. Found a thread where a guy changed these with the motor in place. Others called it a band aid, yet others said they got hundreds of thousands more miles after that. Sounds like it depends if crank is OK after the mess...and if that's my problem of course

Replacing Main bearings while the engine is in the truck.

Yeah man, those look like crap. How many miles? Think that replacing the front main again will solve your remaining leak? When I change my oil pan gasket, I think I'll pop a cap to see what my mains look like:eek:

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[whitey45]

It all depends on the damage done, the crank and rod journals need to be measured, if they are clean, smooth and in spec, then you can put some new bearings in, but, there was a reason for this failure, you have to find out WHY the engine is locked up, before fixing it!

 

[Cgn1976]

Didn't have a friend with me today. Will check it next time through....just had a thought while I was typing this... I can set my phone up and film the dash while I spin. might have to try this tonight

Did you check your oil pressure gauge while spinning the pump!

Couldn't attach the video. But we have lift off with the drill/screwdriver move

 

[whitey45]

Wow, so you have oil presure!! Check the dist gear is tight! We have a mystery!! Dont give up, keep rockin it in gear, it can break loose at any time!!

 

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[gonzopancho]

There is a Sep/Oct 73 vintage F engine in Centenial, CO for $200

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Ran when pulled, the person I bought it from drove it from Boulder to Denver and pulled it to put in a 350 when he bought it. I've had it a couple years while I've been working on a rebuild project....

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It looks like a complete engine in the pictures, not just a block. Serial is F 409618 and you can look up approximate month/year of production here

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There is a different F engine, 2 transmissions and a tcase along with some other spare parts (carb) for $1500 in Longmont, CO

Landcruiser engine . - auto parts - by owner - vehicle automotive sale

Fj40 f engine trans and tcase. I’m doing a swap so you can have anything that makes this thing run. Comes with a spare carb, fuel pump, two transmissions and a spare tcase. Runs great just needs...

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Finally, I have a 1.5F (yes I know it’s an F) out of my 1974 with a 4-speed and tcase that I could part with. Has a PS pump where the alternator goes and the alternator down by the steering box. Also has a header (PO made to fit in 2012), full exhaust (new!), DUI distributor, fairly new carb, etc. Your 3-speed should bolt up if you want to keep it. Might have to swap the flywheel, IDK.

Since I’m going diesel (1HD-FT and a H151F) in the 1974 pig, I don’t have big plans for it. I was thinking of throwing it in the 74 fj40, but if you need/want it, lmk.

 

[Cgn1976]

Wow, so you have oil presure!! Check the dist gear is tight! We have a mystery!! Dont give up, keep rockin it in gear, it can break loose at any time!!

Hoping to pull the valve cover and oil pan today. Should find something I'd imagine!

 

[Cgn1976]

There is a Sep/Oct 73 vintage F engine in Centenial, CO for $200

Landcruiser FJ40 F Engine Block - auto parts - by owner - vehicle...

Ran when pulled, the person I bought it from drove it from Boulder to Denver and pulled it to put in a 350 when he bought it. I've had it a couple years while I've been working on a rebuild project....

denver.craigslist.org

It looks like a complete engine in the pictures, not just a block. Serial is F 409618 and you can look up approximate month/year of production here

Frequently Asked Questions About Your Land Cruiser - Specter Off-Road

Toyota Land Cruiser parts since 1983. From the oldest FJ25 and to the newest Land Cruiser, Non USA or domestic 40 Series, 60 Series 80 Series or 100 Series, SOR has the largest selection of top quality new and used OEM and aftermarket Land Cruiser parts in stock in the world. Specializing in...

www.sor.com

There is a different F engine, 2 transmissions and a tcase along with some other spare parts (carb) for $1500 in Longmont, CO

Landcruiser engine . - auto parts - by owner - vehicle automotive sale

Fj40 f engine trans and tcase. I’m doing a swap so you can have anything that makes this thing run. Comes with a spare carb, fuel pump, two transmissions and a spare tcase. Runs great just needs...

denver.craigslist.org

Finally, I have a 1.5F (yes I know it’s an F) out of my 1974 with a 4-speed and tcase that I could part with. Has a PS pump where the alternator goes and the alternator down by the steering box. Also has a header (PO made to fit in 2012), full exhaust (new!), DUI distributor, fairly new carb, etc. Your 3-speed should bolt up if you want to keep it. Might have to swap the flywheel, IDK.

Since I’m going diesel (1HD-FT and a H151F) in the 1974 pig, I don’t have big plans for it. I was thinking of throwing it in the 74 fj40, but if you need/want it, lmk.

Thanks for all the help on this. I may have to investigate deeper on these options after this weekend. Still holding out the smallest bit of hope I'm not totally dead. I'll get back to you

 

[Eovdubs]

Sorry your going through all this, agree that pulling the valve cover and oil pan are your options. Engine being that stuck so fast is a puzzle most engine will hammer when failing. I would cut the oil filter open and check for a glitter show in the pleats.

 

[Cgn1976]

Sorry your going through all this, agree that pulling the valve cover and oil pan are your options. Engine being that stuck so fast is a puzzle most engine will hammer when failing. I would cut the oil filter open and check for a glitter show in the pleats.

Just pulled the valve cover. Haven't gotten to drain and pull the pan yet. With the valve cover pulled, I slowly spun up the drill to spin the oil pump to see if oil was reaching the rocker assembly. The area under the cover looked freshly oiled, but I'm not 100% sure how much I should be seeing up there. When I spun the pump, no oil at all came out anywhere. I disconnected the supply line to it and no oil reaching there either. Pulled the side cover off (been meaning to do this for a while anyway to paint and put a new gasket on. There's another connection for the oil supply line there so I disconnected it down there and spun the pump, to no avail again. Seems like oil is not reaching the top of the engine. For good measure I turned the key on and recorded another video to see if the gauge was showing pressure, which it was. I'm guessing the pressure sensor that speaks to the gauge is down on the block somewhere then?

Keeping in mind, I'm not really sure what I'm looking, I turned the push rods that weren't under pressure and they all seemed fine. About half of them were in some part of a stroke so they wouldn't move. Looking at them with the side cover off they all looked straight and normal.

So I presume it's now out with the oil and off with the pan? I think I recall I should strain the oil as I drain it looking for debri right? Once I get that off, I'll take some shots. Not really sure what I'll be looking for under there either, although maybe the fact that the top of the motor is seeing oil is helpful to steer me another direction.