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[rlynch356]

If you don't mind reading an Article from the UAE.. circa 2016..

The LC200 is produced on a line alongside the LC70, The LX570, Coaster bus.. at the Yoshiwara factory in Toyota City, Japan.
I'd say that counts for fairy dust.. but it is produced alongside other models, they just happen to be Land cruisers and the odd Bus..
Pride of the land: visiting the Japanese factory that makes Toyota’s ubiquitous Land Cruiser - https://www.thenationalnews.com/arts/pride-of-the-land-visiting-the-japanese-factory-that-makes-toyotas-ubiquitous-land-cruiser-1.183668

BTW that matches with every other thing I have read on LC200 production..
The LC300 series is made on the same line...
gives you an idea of how they dust it...
its a pretty relaxing video too...

I'm on my 6th Land Cruiser.. so yeah a bit biased.

 

[Heckraiser]

worker on an assembly line must never get to pee

 

[AnyMal]

If you don't mind reading an Article from the UAE.. circa 2016..

The LC200 is produced on a line alongside the LC70, The LX570, Coaster bus.. at the Yoshiwara factory in Toyota City, Japan.
I'd say that counts for fairy dust.. but it is produced alongside other models, they just happen to be Land cruisers and the odd Bus..
Pride of the land: visiting the Japanese factory that makes Toyota’s ubiquitous Land Cruiser - https://www.thenationalnews.com/arts/pride-of-the-land-visiting-the-japanese-factory-that-makes-toyotas-ubiquitous-land-cruiser-1.183668

BTW that matches with every other thing I have read on LC200 production..
The LC300 series is made on the same line...
gives you an idea of how they dust it...
its a pretty relaxing video too...

I'm on my 6th Land Cruiser.. so yeah a bit biased.

Aren’t some made in Tahara?

 

[AnyMal]

Aren’t some made in Tahara?

found the fairy dust!

 

[Artie]

I have been shopping for a full size-ish/full size suv for the past 6 months and after doing research on the various options out there (LC/LX, Tahoe/Yukon, Expedition/Navigator, QX80, Land Rover/Range Rover, etc.) I have pretty much landed on purchasing a LX (if I can ever find a good deal on one). Why? It honestly makes me the least nervous about buying without a warranty and I am not intimidated with the thoughts of working on it myself for most repairs. Are they perfect? Not at all, but nothing is. The number of common problems on the 200 series LC/LX are 1/8 the number of common problems of most of the other full size suv's out there. The only other vehicle I am cross shopping with the LX at this point is the Expedition/Navigator but only with a CPO warranty since issues on those seem to be hit or miss but nothing is inexpensive or easy to fix and working on the 3.5 eco boost/10 speed tranmission does not look like fun, lol.

Having had multiple issues with my recently parted with 4th gen Navigator… avoid the 3.5 ecoboost and 10 speed trans, mine had nonstop issues with both. Partly due to terrible Ford techs doing poor warranty repairs on common Ford QC and build quality issues. That 90k albatross is my one vehicle regret and I’ve driven lots of sh*t boxes in my days.

 

[rlynch356]

Fun stuff.. The Tahara plant produces the Land Cruiser Prado
Production Plan for January 2023 | Corporate | Global Newsroom | Toyota Motor Corporation Official Global Website - https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/corporate/38442466.html?_gl=1*1d3rz9g*_ga*MTk3MDQ1NzMxMS4xNjc4ODE2MzQw*_ga_FW87SM9FNZ*MTY3ODgxNjM0MC4xLjAuMTY3ODgxNjM0MS41OS4wLjA.&_ga=2.168405153.1685298511.1678816341-1970457311.1678816340

a little older info (jan 2022) shows the proaction mix across the plants
the LC300 is build in the Yoshiwara plant.

Adjustments to Domestic Production in January and in February (as of January 25) | Corporate | Global Newsroom | Toyota Motor Corporation Official Global Website

Due to the shortage of parts supply caused by the spread of COVID-19 at our supplier in Japan, on January 21 we announced additional suspensions of domestic plant production for completed vehicles and also our revised production plan for February due to the shortage of semiconductor-related...

global.toyota

 

[AnyMal]

Having had multiple issues with my recently parted with 4th gen Navigator… avoid the 3.5 ecoboost and 10 speed trans, mine had nonstop issues with both. Partly due to terrible Ford techs doing poor warranty repairs on common Ford QC and build quality issues. That 90k albatross is my one vehicle regret and I’ve driven lots of sh*t boxes in my days.

Really there is nothing worthy to cross shop. But throw in some $$$ for a proper overhaul in your budget for anything older than 10yrs. The 25yr mantra is not free of its hurdles and costs. And don’t forget the mods will cost $ too in your overall decision. It is pretty capable although mild looking stock, and in any LX its $2k out the door for wheel’s unless you dont mind 20s. Assuming you are buying tires for both LC/LX.

If long term ownership, headaches, and poor “investment” is not of concern, the “better” options are limitless LOL.

 

[AnyMal]

Fun stuff.. The Tahara plant produces the Land Cruiser Prado
Production Plan for January 2023 | Corporate | Global Newsroom | Toyota Motor Corporation Official Global Website - https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/corporate/38442466.html?_gl=1*1d3rz9g*_ga*MTk3MDQ1NzMxMS4xNjc4ODE2MzQw*_ga_FW87SM9FNZ*MTY3ODgxNjM0MC4xLjAuMTY3ODgxNjM0MS41OS4wLjA.&_ga=2.168405153.1685298511.1678816341-1970457311.1678816340

a little older info (jan 2022) shows the proaction mix across the plants
the LC300 is build in the Yoshiwara plant.

Adjustments to Domestic Production in January and in February (as of January 25) | Corporate | Global Newsroom | Toyota Motor Corporation Official Global Website

Due to the shortage of parts supply caused by the spread of COVID-19 at our supplier in Japan, on January 21 we announced additional suspensions of domestic plant production for completed vehicles and also our revised production plan for February due to the shortage of semiconductor-related...

global.toyota

It produced 200s too. There is literally a thread where we polled whos was made where.

Put down the koolaid brother. Itll be ok. I promise. Still best SUV on the road. Even according to me.

Quality differences between Yoshiwara and Tahara?

Looking for another 200 and was wondering if there is a difference in quality/precision between the two factories? Check the 11th digit in your 200 series VIN: 4 = Yoshiwara 5 = Tahara

forum.ih8mud.com

Bursting bubbles is fun indeed!

 

[Tex68w]

So is the Tahara or Yoshiwara considered the best? Which produced the 200's?

 

[AnyMal]

So is the Tahara or Yoshiwara considered the best? Which produced the 200's?

Wherever yours was produced of course! If you read that thread lots of little tidbits including engine plants etc that differ.

Yoshi is the fan-man fav, but in reality, Tahara makes the bulletproof 4R…

So i dont think it really matters.

 

[Tex68w]

Just checked. Mine was made in Yoshiwara.

 

[Madtiger]

Just checked. Mine was made in Yoshiwara.

Same here.

 

[Roc14]

The question is……….for those LX owners specifically, would u buy LX again?

LX owner and would buy one again with the v8! Bought ours back in 2013 used 2011 certified and still have it. The paint has stood up to the test of time along with the build. I read some comments here and can't see how people wait for parts to fail to complain about them. Everything is a wear item in the motor. The key is replacing them before they wear and cause other issues! Front struts replaced after 12 years, valley plate 11 years, radiator at 100k miles good old crack. AHC globes on standby parts in the garage. When the belt is changed the tensioner and pulley will be changed. When The radiator goes out pump and thermostat along with hoses changed. This has been the best vehicle we've ever owned. We had range rover, bmw, porsche, toyota, Ford, and dodge ram. The only other vehicle I own for extended time is the Ram 2500 diesel! I do my own maintenance and repairs so maybe the extra care kicks in karma. The wife vouches for the LX too, it may not have all the bells and whistles. It's not flashy, but I would pick this truck over any other with my family in it.

 

[AnyMal]

LX owner and would buy one again with the v8! Bought ours back in 2013 used 2011 certified and still have it. The paint has stood up to the test of time along with the build. I read some comments here and can't see how people wait for parts to fail to complain about them. Everything is a wear item in the motor. The key is replacing them before they wear and cause other issues! Front struts replaced after 12 years, valley plate 11 years, radiator at 100k miles good old crack. AHC globes on standby parts in the garage. When the belt is changed the tensioner and pulley will be changed. When The radiator goes out pump and thermostat along with hoses changed. This has been the best vehicle we've ever owned. We had range rover, bmw, porsche, toyota, Ford, and dodge ram. The only other vehicle I own for extended time is the Ram 2500 diesel! I do my own maintenance and repairs so maybe the extra care kicks in karma. The wife vouches for the LX too, it may not have all the bells and whistles. It's not flashy, but I would pick this truck over any other with my family in it.

Very reasonable take.

Would still love to see records of what that cost over the decade + gas “reliability” tax (aka old engineering tax) fuel spent over those given miles.

At the end of the day i think with all that maintaining and specially cost of not being able to wrench yourself, the bells and whistles and disposability become more and more appealing. At least to to me they do.

I really thought i was done with timing belt like reg maintenance, and I didn’t get into the 200 to worry about things and complain, i swear. I got in so i NEVER had to worry about it stranding me or my family. That has turned out to be far more likely than I used to believe.

I will do water pump, coolant and belt every 90k anyway, thats standard. I will do starter around that same time as well. Each time, just in case. Radiator is just $1-1.5k upfront in just parts, ok fine. So are decent wheels and tires ($3-$4k the first go round), fine too. But outside of brake components, everything is costly on this platform in both parts and labor. And add premium fuel for the LX to the tab as well…

All the time i will be praying i never develop a coolant or oil leak, which is pretty common to be honest with the 3UR.

I would really feel like a complete chump to have my “tank” leave me stranded too. And ill spend the time and money to make sure my wife doesnt laugh in my face after ive spent all this on mods, vowing id keep it for life to pass down and spending countless hours toying with it. If that happens, shell buy a $30,000 couch just to show me up and teach me what real quality looks like, and that will actually last a lifetime without getting rebuilt 5 times…

Also, If you compare to that tahoe for example, with much more modern efficiency and tech inside, its about half the price new for new compared to the LX or LC even. Sure you can make the LX last twice as long as the tahoe with care and even more money, but in a tahoe, youll end up with a 10 year newer vehicle at that cycles end. And you will be under warranty for half the ownership term. And youll have a useable third row… And youll have spent much less on parts (windshield for example) and fuel. I dont care if the windshield is made of T unobtainium, itll crack and chip in TX nonetheless. All that stuff does kind of matter these days. And we are not in the 80 series era anymore. A decade is a long time to stagnate and sit on a vehicle. Specially considering advances in safety. Granted LX is more akin to escalade than LC, but the escalade costs a bit more to kit out.

I personally bought my 570 to build it, and take it on trips, it’s never been daily driven, and thats after keeping my 470 fully stock. But man sometimes I wish I had a pano roof, carplay, better cameras and more range. And I paid pretty much a fully loaded brand new Z71 money for it. That car will not be worthless in ten years either, they do hold decent value.

For everyone that comes out like you do with your comment, im not really disagreeing, i just think you can look at it a bit less romantically than the LC community tends to do. Upkeep and gas are real cost considerations, and Toyota products are already 10 years behind as soon as they are launched. That means after 20 years, your truck may not be falling apart sure, but it feels like a 30 year old car. And was designed with the safety, tech, and engineering of that era as well. Point is, there are definitely downsides, and its taken me a few years to fully admit that to myself even.

This is all Off-roading aside. That is a non comparison outside of a G really or some niche stuff. But in that case, buy third owner used and trash it. Have something zippy for the city.

 

[Roc14]

Very reasonable take.

Would still love to see records of what that cost over the decade + gas “reliability” tax (aka old engineering tax) fuel spent over those given miles.

At the end of the day i think with all that maintaining and specially cost of not being able to wrench yourself, the bells and whistles and disposability become more and more appealing. At least to to me they do.

I really thought i was done with timing belt like reg maintenance, and I didn’t get into the 200 to worry about things and complain, i swear. I got in so i NEVER had to worry about it stranding me or my family. That has turned out to be far more likely than I used to believe.

I will do water pump, coolant and belt every 90k anyway, thats standard. I will do starter around that same time as well. Each time, just in case. Radiator is just $1-1.5k upfront in just parts, ok fine. So are decent wheels and tires ($3-$4k the first go round), fine too. But outside of brake components, everything is costly on this platform in both parts and labor. And add premium fuel for the LX to the tab as well…

All the time i will be praying i never develop a coolant or oil leak, which is pretty common to be honest with the 3UR.

I would really feel like a complete chump to have my “tank” leave me stranded too. And ill spend the time and money to make sure my wife doesnt laugh in my face after ive spent all this on mods, vowing id keep it for life to pass down and spending countless hours toying with it. If that happens, shell buy a $30,000 couch just to show me up and teach me what real quality looks like, and that will actually last a lifetime without getting rebuilt 5 times…

Also, If you compare to that tahoe for example, with much more modern efficiency and tech inside, its about half the price new for new compared to the LX or LC even. Sure you can make the LX last twice as long as the tahoe with care and even more money, but in a tahoe, youll end up with a 10 year newer vehicle at that cycles end. And you will be under warranty for half the ownership term. And youll have a useable third row… And youll have spent much less on parts (windshield for example) and fuel. I dont care if the windshield is made of T unobtainium, itll crack and chip in TX nonetheless. All that stuff does kind of matter these days. And we are not in the 80 series era anymore. A decade is a long time to stagnate and sit on a vehicle. Specially considering advances in safety. Granted LX is more akin to escalade than LC, but the escalade costs a bit more to kit out.

I personally bought my 570 to build it, and take it on trips, it’s never been daily driven, and thats after keeping my 470 fully stock. But man sometimes I wish I had a pano roof, carplay, better cameras and more range. And I paid pretty much a fully loaded brand new Z71 money for it. That car will not be worthless in ten years either, they do hold decent value.

For everyone that comes out like you do with your comment, im not really disagreeing, i just think you can look at it a bit less romantically than the LC community tends to do. Upkeep and gas are real cost considerations, and Toyota products are already 10 years behind as soon as they are launched. That means after 20 years, your truck may not be falling apart sure, but it feels like a 30 year old car. And was designed with the safety, tech, and engineering of that era as well. Point is, there are definitely downsides, and its taken me a few years to fully admit that to myself even.

This is all Off-roading aside. That is a non comparison outside of a G really or some niche stuff. But in that case, buy third owner used and trash it. Have something zippy for the city.

Fair enough, I don't take fuel consumption into account when I buy vehicles. I don't think anyone really takes fuel into account when you buy these vehicles or they would just buy a Prius. I would argue the engineering of the vechile is better than the newer models out. I've driven newer model Tahoes, and have friends where the new GMC Denalis broke down and they have to wait for a new one. At the end of the day do what's best for you. I can tell you from my experience the LX is imo is better than any modern SUV when you just look at the reliability, drive train, and overall build when it comes to the engine and frame. Gotta pay if you wanna play. Good luck to you.

 

[Tex68w]

Everyone I know with a late model GM product either has it in the shop all the time, had it bought back/lemon law or dumped it on the used market. Bad engines, bad transmissions, water leaks, failing sun roofs, failures of internal structure like the dash, the list goes on and on. GM = GOTCHA Motors.

 

[arock]

Overall build quality is something to consider as well when comparing, not just "reliability". All of the LX's I have driven so far have been at least 8 years old and everything still felt solid (with the exception of 1 that had apparently been beaten to hell and back by its previous owner). No rattles or squeaks when opening/closing anything or driving over bumpy roads. Buttons and knobs feel sturdy and work (look very outdated though). Panels all feel like they are actually attached to the vehicle. That's not something you find in most of the newer vehicles. In my wife's 2021 Grand Cherokee the interior has numerous rattles, wind noise from the mirrors and everything seems to move a lot when you touch it. Same with the Sequoia (that was rather squeaky) I looked at not too long ago and the rest of the domestic trucks I have driven.

 

[NE Snowman]

Watched a 2021 Dodge 2500 with 25k and a 2020 Fire f-150 with about 35k both get towed at the same job about two weeks ago. Both had some bad misfire problems. The ford owner is very unhappy with his truck, many recalls/problems. Dodge owner likes his truck and was his first problem.

My current work van is GMC Savana Cargo 2500, no bells and whistles. Up to 75k and 0 problems. Vortec V8 (love the power, isn’t nearly as “smooth” as my 2UZs with 2x and 3x the miles.)

Fuel consumption is also not on my radar for trucks/SUVs. I would take it in to account for my wife’s next daily that’s about it.

My least favorite vehicle would be my grandmas Ford escape. It’s a few years old with 40k on it and it just rattles to all hell. That and my sisters old Jeep compass easily least favorite, felt like no thought on quality in either of them.

 

[Roc14]

Overall build quality is something to consider as well when comparing, not just "reliability". All of the LX's I have driven so far have been at least 8 years old and everything still felt solid (with the exception of 1 that had apparently been beaten to hell and back by its previous owner). No rattles or squeaks when opening/closing anything or driving over bumpy roads. Buttons and knobs feel sturdy and work (look very outdated though). Panels all feel like they are actually attached to the vehicle. That's not something you find in most of the newer vehicles. In my wife's 2021 Grand Cherokee the interior has numerous rattles, wind noise from the mirrors and everything seems to move a lot when you touch it. Same with the Sequoia (that was rather squeaky) I looked at not too long ago and the rest of the domestic trucks I have driven.

13 years old with oil changes every 5k miles and it's as quiet as the day we got it! Good points

Watched a 2021 Dodge 2500 with 25k and a 2020 Fire f-150 with about 35k both get towed at the same job about two weeks ago. Both had some bad misfire problems. The ford owner is very unhappy with his truck, many recalls/problems. Dodge owner likes his truck and was his first problem.

My current work van is GMC Savana Cargo 2500, no bells and whistles. Up to 75k and 0 problems. Vortec V8 (love the power, isn’t nearly as “smooth” as my 2UZs with 2x and 3x the miles.)

Fuel consumption is also not on my radar for trucks/SUVs. I would take it in to account for my wife’s next daily that’s about it.

Looks like the newer model trucks and suvs out there have quality issues with their builds. Own a 2017 Ram 2500 with 100k miles now and no issues knock on wood! LX has 191k and we've put over 180k on it. I always say the less technology the better! One thing I will say is the comments here are about spending money maintaining the LX, but buying a new suv or truck and the taxes alone could repair a good portion of the engine with oem parts.

Then your set for another 100-150k miles!

 

[NE Snowman]

13 years old with oil changes every 5k miles and it's as quiet as the day we got it! Good points

Looks like the newer model trucks and suvs out there have quality issues with their builds. Own a 2017 Ram 2500 with 100k miles now and no issues knock on wood! LX has 191k and we've put over 180k on it. I always say the less technology the better! One thing I will say is the comments here are about spending money maintaining the LX, but buying a new suv or truck and the taxes alone could repair a good portion of the engine with oem parts.

Then your set for another 100-150k miles!

Betting on those COVID produced cars, I sent back a lot of bad material on job sites between 21-22. Lots of QC issues popped up.