I still say I'd like to see a 2.0 in a 60, but using the 2.5 in the Pinz as a comparison: how fast can that Pinz go? Many mil spec vehicles like that top our around 60 mph, which is low for a daily driven 60 in the USA.
Does size matter?
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um, the unimog has a small engine and the gearing is setup for that application, it is slow, ugly, noisy and a bugger on fuel but it does move the uni down the road... at 50 mph.
Peter had a 3BT in a 60 with 53" tires and uni axles, it was slow, noisy and very capable off road. i don't think he ever drove it enough to figure out the milage.
you can make any engine move the weight with the right gearing... why not make it interesting and stick a lawn mower engine in a 60?
the 60 weighs roughly the same as a LJ78. the 2.4 had to work to move that down the road, the fuel milage was not the greatest, the power was a joke and that was with 4.90 gearing...
Peter had a 3BT in a 60 with 53" tires and uni axles, it was slow, noisy and very capable off road. i don't think he ever drove it enough to figure out the milage.
you can make any engine move the weight with the right gearing... why not make it interesting and stick a lawn mower engine in a 60?
the 60 weighs roughly the same as a LJ78. the 2.4 had to work to move that down the road, the fuel milage was not the greatest, the power was a joke and that was with 4.90 gearing...
Here's a petrol pinz 6x6 with the dimensions and weights.
2400kg empty, 3900kg max.
Trailer weight up to 5000kg.
Steyr-Puch Pinzagauer 4x4 and 6x6 for sale-Technical
The NZ army bought a slew of 2.5td powered ones a few years back. Cool trucks and surprisingly compact.
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Here's a petrol pinz 6x6 with the dimensions and weights.
2400kg empty, 3900kg max.
Trailer weight up to 5000kg.
Steyr-Puch Pinzagauer 4x4 and 6x6 for sale-Technical
The NZ army bought a slew of 2.5td powered ones a few years back. Cool trucks and surprisingly compact.
I love the pinz as much as I love cruisers. As you can see by my avatar.
I know with the right gearing just about any engine can move a rig down the road. But that's not what the thread is about. It's about moving the same vehicle down the road with two different oil burners one being a 2.0 and the other being around a 4.0. I originally stated the larger cummins but I think these are more realistic to compare.
Few years back we did the mat to place a a diesel from an 1983 MBZ 240D with transmission and using a divorced tcase into an 1985 4runner. With 33's the engine and transmission would not know the difference between the original 240D or the 1985 4runner. Chris has bene doing these conversion for a number of years.
After everything is stripped out of the FJ62 that supports the 3FE engine was well as the radiator for a smaller liter one, and the smaller exhaust, etc.... I think it would maybe weight between 350-400 lbs when compared to the Jetta's that come with the 2.0TDI.
What do you guys think?
the 3FE weighs close to 800 lbs and add all the accessories and you will be close to 1000 lbs weight reduction.
what tranny are you using? if not the old auto then you can shave another 250 lbs there.
what weight are you sticking back in?
what tranny are you using? if not the old auto then you can shave another 250 lbs there.
what weight are you sticking back in?
talking about Pinz .. time ago I was driving a MOG 435 for the local red cross .. it come with a 6 cilinder NA diesel engine .. to move that huge beast ..
Ya sure after 8 shifts you can go max speed 80 km/h .. !
Ya sure after 8 shifts you can go max speed 80 km/h .. !
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Crushers..... If this were an actual project, and who knows maybe it might become one the more we talk about it, I would stay with the VW 2.0TDI. They also sale an industrial 1.9TDI and 2.0TDI that are meant for turn key diesel conversion for vehicles. These use a mechanical injection pump. So no computers or other stuff to worry about.
Anyway the 2.0TDI is like 300 lbs. If I stayed with the A440 I am not sure if it would rob to much power. Maybe go with another choice. What do you guys think would make a good transmission?
Anyway the 2.0TDI is like 300 lbs. If I stayed with the A440 I am not sure if it would rob to much power. Maybe go with another choice. What do you guys think would make a good transmission?
simple, H55F...
sounds like you might shave roughly 500-600 lbs of the rig. that would be in the ball park of 3600 lbs rig. that is 1 horse for each 36 lbs with the VW engine...
now the FJ62 with the original 2f or 3F is 1 horse for each 27 lbs...
sounds like you might shave roughly 500-600 lbs of the rig. that would be in the ball park of 3600 lbs rig. that is 1 horse for each 36 lbs with the VW engine...
now the FJ62 with the original 2f or 3F is 1 horse for each 27 lbs...
about the same ponies as a 2H. Should work .... similarly. ie: slow! 
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The Gold and Jetta with the 2.0TDI weigh around 3400lbs. So with the right gearing and tires I am certain the engine would not notice much difference. I know the 1.9TDI's can be tuned with one of my favorite chips from Upsolute.
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Thats bhp... so what ever it turns at the crank... my brain isnt working right now..... i think i was dropped to many times as a baby.
With nozzles and injectors its easy to hit 130hp and about 300lbs torque. Engine still remains very reliable, fuel economy is still very good, and longevity is still intact. Also go with a smaller and liter radiator and larger intercooler.
If someone did go this route the best engine to start with would be those TDI's mated to automatic transmissions. VAG used an 11mm injector pump on those engines. While the TDI with a standard transmission only received a 10mm pump. The injectors were different too, the TDI with the 11mm pump received smaller injectors then the TDI with a 10mm pump. So the best is going with the TDI with the 11mm injection pump. This is up to 2005'ish. I dont know what VAG did with the later models.
Then of course one of my all time favorite TDI's.. The Audi A2. Prius eat your heart out..... haha
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Thats bhp... so what ever it turns at the crank... my brain isnt working right now..... i think i was dropped to many times as a baby.
With nozzles and injectors its easy to hit 130hp and about 300lbs torque. Engine still remains very reliable, fuel economy is still very good, and longevity is still intact. Also go with a smaller and liter radiator and larger intercooler.
If someone did go this route the best engine to start with would be those TDI's mated to automatic transmissions. VAG used an 11mm injector pump on those engines. While the TDI with a standard transmission only received a 10mm pump. The injectors were different too, the TDI with the 11mm pump received smaller injectors then the TDI with a 10mm pump. So the best is going with the TDI with the 11mm injection pump. This is up to 2005'ish. I dont know what VAG did with the later models.
Then of course one of my all time favorite TDI's.. The Audi A2. Prius eat your heart out..... haha
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Just a small comment...
Remember that the 1,9 tdi with 105 hp is also fitted to in the base-model VW transporter van. This has a total max-weight of 2800kg's.. more than a fully loaded 60, especially if it has a lighter engine..
I'm sure a 2,0 tdi with 140 or 170 hp would move the 60 along a lot quicker then the old straight six..But it probably wont last over 500Kkm like the 2H will.. And, more importantly maybe, it wont be as good offroad.. thinking of engine-braking down steep hills and the 2H's unwillingness to stall.. There is a lot less inertia in a 2liter..
If you hold the 2H at say 800rpm and dump the clutch you will just launch forward... do the same in with a modern tdi and it will stall! They have absolutely no power under 1000rpm..
Remember that the 1,9 tdi with 105 hp is also fitted to in the base-model VW transporter van. This has a total max-weight of 2800kg's.. more than a fully loaded 60, especially if it has a lighter engine..
I'm sure a 2,0 tdi with 140 or 170 hp would move the 60 along a lot quicker then the old straight six..But it probably wont last over 500Kkm like the 2H will.. And, more importantly maybe, it wont be as good offroad.. thinking of engine-braking down steep hills and the 2H's unwillingness to stall.. There is a lot less inertia in a 2liter..
If you hold the 2H at say 800rpm and dump the clutch you will just launch forward... do the same in with a modern tdi and it will stall! They have absolutely no power under 1000rpm..
I would said under 2000 rpm .. prettu streesed and full boost ..
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I hear you guys..... I do know that the 1.9TDI has been used in offroad and rock crawling competitions. I pushed my 1.9TDI hard, very hard at times and it just kept on coming. This isnt the old time diesel.... its a totally different animal all together. I was very impressed with the TDI. So much so we bought that over the 1.8T.
VAG races the TDI's. The engines when broken down and inspected show almost no wear. 130hp and 300ft-lb 1.9TDI is a mild build and does not shorten its life, if by much.
Using that 1.9TDI as an example (only because I know this engine), I think the 2.0TDI would be a very good candidate for weekend warrior wagon.
Using a VAGCOM the ecm can be programed to take out stupid crap that should not be part of a diesel like the EGR. These can be pretty much turned off.
VAG races the TDI's. The engines when broken down and inspected show almost no wear. 130hp and 300ft-lb 1.9TDI is a mild build and does not shorten its life, if by much.
Using that 1.9TDI as an example (only because I know this engine), I think the 2.0TDI would be a very good candidate for weekend warrior wagon.
Using a VAGCOM the ecm can be programed to take out stupid crap that should not be part of a diesel like the EGR. These can be pretty much turned off.
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For a tranny I would go with a R150/R151 since there are already adapters out there to mate the TDI to it.
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Maybe find yourself a R series tranny that was originally mated up to the split case so you can retain your offset rear axle and dont have to swap over to a tacoma/mini t-case.
Some will balk at the R series tranny in a cruiser...which is another thread all together...but they hold up fine to supercharged Tacomas that weigh in right at 3,500 lbs.
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That's is common knowledge on a heavy foot and how an engine is maintained when it comes to longevity on any engine. I should have added more information on why I stated about the engine build and longevity. Many of the guys/gals that build the 1.9TDI are not doing it for looks. They race their cars and drive them hard. With heavy mods the engine life span is shortened. But over all the 1.9TDI has already lasted well over 200,000 miles.
For the mild build you are just doing the following, Upgraded Chip, Injector Nozzles, Larger Injectors. Not a whole lot done there at all. On a VW that's 130hp and about 300ft-lbs measured at the wheel. I don't think you are going to see much wear even when pusing the engine hard like we do.
Off road... a few of the guys I have spoken with over the last few years adapted the 1.9L and 1.9TDI in their rock crawling rigs. Two of these guys do this for competition. They have all said that the engine just idles over many of the obstacles.
plus in a DD you are not running at max revs, you should be turning the same revs as the 2F/3F you are taking out. you did mention just doing the engine and not changing the gearing etc.
so if you are turning 2800 rpm with the gasser then the same with the diesel, it is mech and nothing changes there.
"should" last for a long time, so when does the swap start?
so if you are turning 2800 rpm with the gasser then the same with the diesel, it is mech and nothing changes there.
"should" last for a long time, so when does the swap start?
I think you guys seem to be underestimating the little vw tdi. 1.9 Tdi were available from the factory with 150 bhp and can easily be chipped to approaching 190 bhp and over 300 lb/ft with no reliability issues.
The other halfs Passat is running at about 165 bhp and despite having done 240 000 miles doesn't smoke or use a drop of oil. Many of the taxi fleets here use them and they regularly clock up over 400 000 miles without major issues.
I would stick to the 1.9, its a lot simpler than the 2.0 tdi as it doesn't have any of that common rail crap which is mostly there for emissions anyway.
As posted above its fitted to commercial vehicles a lot heavier than a cruiser so can't see there being any issues myself.
Looking forward to the project.
Jamie
The other halfs Passat is running at about 165 bhp and despite having done 240 000 miles doesn't smoke or use a drop of oil. Many of the taxi fleets here use them and they regularly clock up over 400 000 miles without major issues.
I would stick to the 1.9, its a lot simpler than the 2.0 tdi as it doesn't have any of that common rail crap which is mostly there for emissions anyway.
As posted above its fitted to commercial vehicles a lot heavier than a cruiser so can't see there being any issues myself.
Looking forward to the project.
Jamie