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I have had no success with insurance companies and stated value on built/modified vehicle
^ this. I know I'm hosed if anything happens to my truck.
Edit: that drives what I do to my truck and the types of trails I take. If I wanted to bash around I would get a basher.
Wow! You've been working on that rig for a while now. Total bummer. I know how you feel...
Booger, if it'll help- I'd take $300 to got this out of my garage.
Moon-glow body, no rust, very straight.
Dash is not cracked...I have the grill, no headlights, no tail lights.
1997 clean title
It has no interior, no engine, no radiator, no brake booster. no axles, no wheels...faded paint...
I don't know if this is a good fit for you, moving forward. Either way, good luck!
Booger, if it'll help- I'd take $300 to got this out of my garage.
Moon-glow body, no rust, very straight.
Dash is not cracked...I have the grill, no headlights, no tail lights.
1997 clean title
It has no interior, no engine, no radiator, no brake booster. no axles, no wheels...faded paint...
I don't know if this is a good fit for you, moving forward. Either way, good luck!
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Total number yes. But the percentage of 3-linked 80's that have rolled has to be much higher. There have been several examples posted here in recent memory.
# of 80's with 3-link=3. # of 80's with 3-link rolled in the lat 12 months=1 Overall = 33.3333%
# of 80's with stock radius arms=8000. # of 80's with stock radius arms rolled in the last 12 months=57. Overall = 0.7125%
So, the disadvantage of having a 3-link roll over is that you are 46.78 times MORE likely to roll in a 3-link suspension truck than you are in a standard radius arm truck.
87% of all statistics are made up on the spot.....
# of 80's with stock radius arms=8000. # of 80's with stock radius arms rolled in the last 12 months=57. Overall = 0.7125%
So, the disadvantage of having a 3-link roll over is that you are 46.78 times MORE likely to roll in a 3-link suspension truck than you are in a standard radius arm truck.
87% of all statistics are made up on the spot.....
Sure a linked 80 might be a little looser than a stock radius arm 80 but don't kid yourselves. You have physics working against you when you put a lift on these top heavy pigs. SUVs are more prone to rollover than small cars which are low to the ground. That's a fact. Now lift that SUV higher in the air and add more weight so that it really messes with your center of gravity...what do you think will happen?
We've all seen the safety videos on Youtube of SUVs rolling over doing an emergency lane change at high speeds. That's one thing that scares me about a lifted SUV because I'm pretty certain that would result in a rollover if it were to happen to me. We've all seen how easily the Saudis can get a Land Cruiser on two wheels. Add in panic from an emergency situation....better hope the worst that happens is a totaled Land Cruiser.
We've all seen the safety videos on Youtube of SUVs rolling over doing an emergency lane change at high speeds. That's one thing that scares me about a lifted SUV because I'm pretty certain that would result in a rollover if it were to happen to me. We've all seen how easily the Saudis can get a Land Cruiser on two wheels. Add in panic from an emergency situation....better hope the worst that happens is a totaled Land Cruiser.
Correct me if I'm wrong. I've seen the numerous "2 wheel" driving, and hasn't been brought many times the tires they are rolling on are very different, not to mention never seen a lifted on 35's do those "stunts"?
EDIT: noted I have NO dog in this fight. I like were my 80 sits on radius arms and what it able to do. There are accidents everyday. Some flukes, some poor planned mods, some just are what they are, accidents. I truly am happy boogs and company walked from this. Maybe the 3link was able the create the aerial acrobatics were as the radius would have him giving the opposing car the "bird" a little too close.
Not to mention how PSI of pressure in the tires to hold them when they are doing those stunts....How many did they roll before they got that good at it?
Correct me if I'm wrong. I've seen the numerous "2 wheel" driving, and hasn't been brought many times the tires they are rolling on are very different, not to mention never seen a lifted on 35's do those "stunts"?
EDIT: noted I have NO dog in this fight. I like were my 80 sits on radius arms and what it able to do. There are accidents everyday. Some flukes, some poor planned mods, some just are what they are, accidents. I truly am happy boogs and company walked from this. Maybe the 3link was able the create the aerial acrobatics were as the radius would have him giving the opposing car the "bird" a little too close.
I don't know. I'm sure you've seen this popular video. Tires don't look that special to me. And I think the reason we don't see these stunts on lifted trucks with 35s proves my point. That thing would go flipping down the freeway the moment they'd try and you'd have a Saudi blender dispenser
The point of all my rambling was to show how easy an SUV can rollover regardless of suspension setup.
That's besides the point. The point is how easy it is to get a Land Cruiser to lift its wheels off the ground. Not to see how long you can drive on two wheels.
Not to belabor the subject, but the same logic applies to removing any safety system like the ABS system and the LSVP. Your insurance man will hate it, but the lawyers for the other guy in a 2 car incident, or injured passengers in your rig, will just love it!
I have never seen one with belts like that involved in an accident, but looking at them I see that some do not attach the shoulder belts anywhere high on the seat back. This would not keep an occupant upright and seems more of a fashion statement than having any real protective quality. The factory seats we have are not designed to take those kinds of forces in the seat frame, and would need to be replaced with real racing seats in order for proper shoulder belts to have any actual effectiveness in a crash. Not just a fender-bender, but a real wreck.
And trust me, nobody is strong enough to voluntarily control their body in a highway speed crash. That's why racers have HAANS devices and arm restraints and helmet restraints and leg restraints and on and on... It's just physics again. A bad wreck causes so many G's that there's no way to fight it and you just get hurt worse if you try. This is just my own belief, but I think the reason why drunks walk away from wrecks that would kill sober folks is that they don't see it coming and are relaxed when it happens. Their reactions are slowed to the point that they don't stiffen up at any point during the crash, and then they climb out of the wreckage going "What just happened?"
I think the reason folks walk away from 80's rollovers where the A-posts give is good engineering coupled with a healthy dose of good luck. Those A-posts are working when they bend, absorbing energy that might otherwise be directed into your body. The same with the rest of the truck. Newer vehicles are designed to be sacrificial to protect the occupants just like biltforme pointed out, and these 80's were built just when that design philosophy was starting to be put into play. It truly is shocking how much force is generated in a highway speed accident, that much weight going 60 miles an hour has the energy equivalent to several artillery shells detonating simultaneously. That's a
-ton of energy, and it all has to go somewhere. It's even worse when two opposing cars hit, the total energy amount increases sharply with the speed and it all gets converted from kinetic energy into other forms.Some of that energy is spent as heat, some as noise, but most is used up bending and breaking stuff. The safety engineering is trying to make it so the car bends and breaks and not the occupants. And they do one hell of a good job these days, folks are walking away from wrecks where you have a hard time telling what color the car used to be, let alone what kind it was. Used to be if the front bumper was touching the front wheels somebody was almost surely dead- or would be pretty soon. And in the 60's and early 70's cars this was a fair assessment. Engines came back through the firewalls, steering columns did not collapse, doors flew open, dashboards and interiors were all metal, and seat belts were poorly designed and hardly ever used. A very different world than in today's vehicles where the entire engine can be missing and the front wheels laying in the street and you still have a living patient who will very likely survive with little or no long-term deficits. Amazing, really.
These trucks were designed and built in the 90's, where automotive safety design was undergoing some pretty radical rethinking. Some made it's way into these trucks and more into later models, but they are significantly safer than earlier models. If Booger's wreck had been in a 40 you would have seen a very different outcome.
I think the take away from this should be that despite the pictures, look at the outcomes. Most folks walk away from accidents in 80's series LC's, despite what the truck ends up looking like. These rigs do the safety side of their job very well, just like they do everything else well. They do protect their occupants and some of that protection happens by destroying itself and absorbing the energy that would otherwise be absorbed by comparatively fragile human bodies. The pictures look pretty bad, but that's just the truck doing it's job. How many folks walked away from those wrecks? Betcha almost all of them. (Not including that side impact one though, that one would have been real bad no matter what the vehicle was.) You're pretty safe in an 80.
Hey, I drive one.
Hope this helps.
I don't know. I'm sure you've seen this popular video. Tires don't look that special to me. And I think the reason we don't see these stunts on lifted trucks with 35s proves my point. That thing would go flipping down the freeway the moment they'd try and you'd have a Saudi blender dispenser
The point of all my rambling was to show how easy an SUV can rollover regardless of suspension setup.
If that car going by at 2:57 had even touched that truck you would have seen a hard case of evolutionary natural selection in action.
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Bolt on Exo-Cage! Quick, you'll sell hundreds!
Very true. People love to bitch and moan about how fragile cars today are all "made of plastic" with fenders that crumple during a minor fender bender and love to go on and on about how they don't build them like they used to. I'm glad they don't. Nothing better illustrates that better than this video. Just watch how a plastic car fares against that all metal behemoth from the 50s
Pay attention the pillars on the Bel Air
Epic example of old vs. new design.
The Bel-Air steering column got in the killshot at 0:49, followed by the A-post and roof making sure. Triple tap to the head.
If you want to see more 60's era vehicle crash tests:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=26&v=siT-SIfOnQw
The Bel-Air steering column got in the killshot at 0:49, followed by the A-post and roof making sure. Triple tap to the head.
If you want to see more 60's era vehicle crash tests:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=26&v=siT-SIfOnQw
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Jeez guys! I rolled because the driverside of the truck went up a dirt wall. Had nothing to do with the suspension...
Almost 21 years ago, to the day, I rolled in nearly the same spot in a 5 series BMW: rolleyes: my girlfriend was driving.
Almost 21 years ago, to the day, I rolled in nearly the same spot in a 5 series BMW: rolleyes: my girlfriend was driving.
Dude might me time to find a new route ;-p
That's some final destination ish right there