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I don’t know why those images are sideways here.
They’re not in my photo library.
Sorry about that
They’re not in my photo library.
Sorry about that
Outstanding work guys.
I just read through this entire thread again this morning. Epic build. The attention to detail is amazing guys. I wish I had your knowledge of Cruisers! Really great work.
Thanks Gene.. Tried to make it period correct where we could and a few updates that are subtle but needed and hopefully not detracting from the overall goal of a slight restomod on an old truck.
Look old, drive a little newer.
Look old, drive a little newer.
Looks like you accomplished that. Great to see you all still working together after so many years. We were all much younger men when we started these projects. Now we've got to finish them so we can enjoy them for many years to come.
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Exactly so, yessir.
We're going to re-furb my trail beaten FJ40 when we get this done, but that will be way less involved.
We got a nearly done body tub from Kelly-2F power, and as the 40 is currently in one piece and running, there's not a lot of other stuff to do, other than swap from an SM420 transmission to an H41. The 420 was a good trail transmission, but it's not a great street transmission. The H41 will be a good trail transmission for future use, as I don't plan on doing much "hard core" stuff anymore....
We're going to re-furb my trail beaten FJ40 when we get this done, but that will be way less involved.
We got a nearly done body tub from Kelly-2F power, and as the 40 is currently in one piece and running, there's not a lot of other stuff to do, other than swap from an SM420 transmission to an H41. The 420 was a good trail transmission, but it's not a great street transmission. The H41 will be a good trail transmission for future use, as I don't plan on doing much "hard core" stuff anymore....
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We got the adapter from old school air cleaner to TBI finished.
The old air cleaner really helps keep the engine bay looking vintage.
The old air cleaner really helps keep the engine bay looking vintage.
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Where did you get the fuel tank new mounting plate stuff?
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Steve Fox did all that...
OK, Kelly ... so, there's a long answer to that, because I can be long-winded, as Erik (project manager) and Alan (willing victim) can attest to ... standard disclaimer: I have no idea what I'm talking about, but I'm happy to tell you what I think.
We bought Mosley Motor's premium kit, because we have no experience with Holley's Sniper and so it'd go easier that way, right? Cam Mosley's kit includes a Walbro electric fuel pump kit, in-line or in-tank, your pick, from Tanks, Inc., their GPA series. Erik used an in-tank kit from them for his 45, so that sounded good.
Then Erik-the-PM said, "Hey, let's put a Holley Hydramat in it, because cool." I knew what they were, so sure why not. This explains the mat and why it's nifty, in particular for all the crazy off-camber this truck will never do: HydraMat - Holley Performance Products
We bought Mosley Motor's premium kit, because we have no experience with Holley's Sniper and so it'd go easier that way, right? Cam Mosley's kit includes a Walbro electric fuel pump kit, in-line or in-tank, your pick, from Tanks, Inc., their GPA series. Erik used an in-tank kit from them for his 45, so that sounded good.
Then Erik-the-PM said, "Hey, let's put a Holley Hydramat in it, because cool." I knew what they were, so sure why not. This explains the mat and why it's nifty, in particular for all the crazy off-camber this truck will never do: HydraMat - Holley Performance Products
So, we start noodling out what we want/need, beginning with the tank. These tanks have two baffles that run fore-and-aft, about 8" apart with the sender in the middle, which you can locate by the row of rivets to either side of the fuel sending unit port (pretty hard to see in this pic) ... top of picture is front of tank, toward the firewall:
That 8" gap is where the fuel sending unit, the electric fuel pump, and the Hydramat have to co-exist ... and you want the fuel pickup (in our case the Hydramat) to land near the bottom of the well at the bottom of the tank, which further restricts where stuff goes:
That 8" gap is where the fuel sending unit, the electric fuel pump, and the Hydramat have to co-exist ... and you want the fuel pickup (in our case the Hydramat) to land near the bottom of the well at the bottom of the tank, which further restricts where stuff goes:
So, deciding to use a Hydramat created a line of dominos that had to fall to get us to a functional EFI tank ... I chose one that would fit in the 8" gap *and* within the well, an 8" x 8" cross:
www.holley.com
Cue Covid-19 supply chain fun ... order and wait, because you don't know what you have until it's in your hands.
Wait, so how's that Hydramat going to connect to the Walbro fuel pump, hmmm? Another domino...
The Walbro that comes with the GPA pump kit is a GSS242, and they look like this on the bottom:
Holley 16-103 8" x 8" HydraMat, Cross
The amazing HydraMat™ is Holley's patent pending design that solves the problems associated with traditional fuel pick-ups in stock fuel tanks as well as racing fuel cells. During hard cornering, acceleration, stopping, inclines, and low fuel conditions fuel runs away from the fuel pick up which...
www.holley.com
Cue Covid-19 supply chain fun ... order and wait, because you don't know what you have until it's in your hands.
Wait, so how's that Hydramat going to connect to the Walbro fuel pump, hmmm? Another domino...
The Walbro that comes with the GPA pump kit is a GSS242, and they look like this on the bottom:
That is a 22mm centered inlet, normally only mated to the little nylon sock that comes with it and is a pre-filter, that has a hole with metal clips on the ID that cling to the smooth plastic surface of the inlet. Hydramats come in a lot of sizes/orientations, and a lot of inlet connections types, but they don't even try to make all mats come with all connectors. They make a couple mats with the 22mm inlet, but they're big. Our little cross mat's inlet is 3/8" NPT. Hmm, Holley sells fuel pumps, how do they connect pumps to mats? I looked closely at pictures of their pumps on the web site (boy, they look like OEM'd Walbros to me), and called 'em up. They *almost* admitted that their pumps are at least dimensionally identical to Walbros, and said that this adapter is what they recommend for my Walbro GSS242:
www.holley.com
It fits over the inlet end of the pump and provides an offset -6 AN ORB (o-ring boss) connector that lotsa stuff connects to ... cool, that'll make my big centered inlet look like something else, that I can adapt to the mat outlet. Well, weeks later when it shows up, it's clear that's not quite what it was intended to do, despite their recommendation on the phone, because the body of it is just a hair too short to actually hang on to the our pump body. Dang.
Holley 16-137 190, 255, and 350 LPH FUEL PUMP TO -6 ORB ADAPTER
The adapters are a clamp-on 6160-T6 aluminum adapter that attaches directly to fuel pump body with no modifications. The design focus was to allow easy connection to a remote fuel pickup or HydraMat within your tank or fuel cell. The patented design includes o-ring to seal the fuel pump to the...
www.holley.com
It fits over the inlet end of the pump and provides an offset -6 AN ORB (o-ring boss) connector that lotsa stuff connects to ... cool, that'll make my big centered inlet look like something else, that I can adapt to the mat outlet. Well, weeks later when it shows up, it's clear that's not quite what it was intended to do, despite their recommendation on the phone, because the body of it is just a hair too short to actually hang on to the our pump body. Dang.
So, along the way I've gone from knowing zip about Walbro in-tank pumps to having noticed a few things, primarily that they're all pretty much the same on the outlet side, but have several different inlet types beyond our 22mm centered one, one of which being an offset (sound familiar?) 11mm inlet like this:
OK, now I'm on to something, because this Holley pump is clearly what the adapter was meant to mate to, and its inlet is identical to the Walbro GSS342 (and others).
www.holley.com
So, I ordered up a GSS342, and sure enough, lookie ... pump, meet adapter:
Holley 12-937 255 LPH In-Tank Fuel Pump Kit
Holley offers a full line of high performance fuel pumps. These Holley electric in-tank fuel pumps have been designed to the highest quality standards to provide increased performance and fuel efficiency for most stock, turbo, and supercharged applications. These Holley direct replacement...
www.holley.com
So, I ordered up a GSS342, and sure enough, lookie ... pump, meet adapter:
The GSS 342 pump inlet, a little 11mm smooth plastic nipple that usually gets connected to by a filter sock with a smaller version of the hole with metal clips clinging to the plastic, NOW butts up against a little rubber o-ring on the pump side of the offset adapter inlet, and the adapter body is securely engaged with the pump body. So much so it's really hard to get on and off.
Another domino has fallen.
So, gotta mate that -6 AN ORB female (pump inlet, now) to 3/8 NPT female (Hydramat outlet) somehow, and the -6 ORB to -6 AN flare adapter the Holley tech line suggested was only going to create more length/complication, so, Surplus Center hydraulics to the rescue ...
-6 AN ORB is SAE 6 to hydraulics people, so I ordered this SAE 6 Male x 3/8" NPT Male Straight adapter (note that this is 9/16-18 thread, which is -6 AN):
So, voila (walla?):
So, gotta mate that -6 AN ORB female (pump inlet, now) to 3/8 NPT female (Hydramat outlet) somehow, and the -6 ORB to -6 AN flare adapter the Holley tech line suggested was only going to create more length/complication, so, Surplus Center hydraulics to the rescue ...
-6 AN ORB is SAE 6 to hydraulics people, so I ordered this SAE 6 Male x 3/8" NPT Male Straight adapter (note that this is 9/16-18 thread, which is -6 AN):
SAE 6 Male x 3/8" NPT Male Straight 6401-06-06 Adapter | SAE Male to NPT Male - Straight | SAE O-ring to NPT | Hydraulic Adapters & Fittings | Hydraulics | www.surpluscenter.com
SAE 6 Male x 3/8 NPT Male Straight 6401-06-06 Adapter, SAE Male to NPT Male - Straight, SAE 6M TO 3/8 NPTM CONNECTOR, SAE 6 Male x 3/8" NPT6401-06-06,
www.surpluscenter.com
So, voila (walla?):
On to the next domino (Kelly, this is for you) ... the Tanks, Inc. GPA in-tank fuel pump kit Mosley supplies includes a pump hanger with a 3.3" diameter top plate for which you'd drill a roughly 2.25" hole. Umm, how's my Hydramat going to fit through that? The instructions say fold your mat to fit through the hole, but that's still no bueno. Down the rabbit hole again...
After looking all over the place for a plate that wasn't too huge, wasn't aluminum, etc., I noticed that the Tanks, Inc. PA series kit's (the one Erik has) pump hanger has a much larger plate, 5.8" diameter gives you a 4.5" hole, so I called 'em up and asked if they sold just the hanger ... well sure, part number PA-A
We don't need the cool little reservoir bathtub on the bottom because Hydramat (the reservoir is *why* Erik bought this pump kit for his 2F-E'd 45), it just unscrews, so I just need to shorten the hanger itself to length, same as I'd have to do with the GPA hanger, but now I can get my hand, and therefore the mat, into the hole. Huzzah, 'nuther domino falls.
After looking all over the place for a plate that wasn't too huge, wasn't aluminum, etc., I noticed that the Tanks, Inc. PA series kit's (the one Erik has) pump hanger has a much larger plate, 5.8" diameter gives you a 4.5" hole, so I called 'em up and asked if they sold just the hanger ... well sure, part number PA-A
PA Series Fuel Pump Hanger
Tanks, Inc. manufactures fuel system components and polyethylene, steel and stainless steel gas tanks for street rods and special interest vehicles.
www.tanksinc.com
We don't need the cool little reservoir bathtub on the bottom because Hydramat (the reservoir is *why* Erik bought this pump kit for his 2F-E'd 45), it just unscrews, so I just need to shorten the hanger itself to length, same as I'd have to do with the GPA hanger, but now I can get my hand, and therefore the mat, into the hole. Huzzah, 'nuther domino falls.
