3RZ swap or rebuild the 22re

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Hello All,

The engine on my son's 92 truck is smoking more and more. We've replaced the 22re about 10 years ago. We do not know how to internally rebuild the motor and we are afraid to try it and mess up. A friend was telling me that a 3RZ bolts right in to the W56 tranny, plus we would gain a few hp's. Is this true? If not, what is needed for the swap? I read a few posts here but they were not too detailed. Would it be better to find a short or long block for the 22re? I found a 3RZ (115K miles) with harness, starter, etc for about $700. We want to keep expenses as low as possible.

Thanks for any info.

ML
 
not sure about the direct bolt in, but i am going to say no it wont.


but i am also going to say, do not do it, the 3 slow is a pain in the but to work on, for even the simple things, like changing the plugs.


do not buy a rebuilt 22re from jasper, i had an 85 i got real cheap because it went before it was even broken in and have heard a lot of complaints about them.
 
but i am also going to say, do not do it, the 3 slow is a pain in the but to work on, for even the simple things, like changing the plugs.

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3RZ not 3VZE hahaha!!

2rz and 3rz are AWESOME motors easiest will be a find a crashed donor truck
 
3RZ not 3VZE hahaha!!

2rz and 3rz are AWESOME motors easiest will be a find a crashed donor truck

Yes, the 3RZ I can source is out of a wrecked 4runner...
 
I'm considering the same thing. Buying a longblock will be simpler/faster and 22REs can be modified for power. 3RZ is a good motor with better stock grunt.

You run into-

wiring
motor mounts
exhaust

Read this- The Official 3RZ Knowledge and Database Thread
 
I'm considering the same thing. Buying a longblock will be simpler/faster and 22REs can be modified for power. 3RZ is a good motor with better stock grunt.

You run into-

wiring
motor mounts
exhaust

Read this- The Official 3RZ Knowledge and Database Thread

Beat me to it. Motor mounts being the biggest thing along with wiring all the connections in. Check with Green Truck over in Pirate4x4 as he's done this swap and it came out to be an absolutely beautiful swap that looks near factory.

One of the biggest benefits of the swap is the 2.7l displacement as well as losing all those vacuum switches and lines! Here's Marlin's Board with all the tech: The Official 3RZ Knowledge and Database Thread
 
WARNING: There are two 3RZ heads.

One has a distributor, and the other has coil packs mounted on a bracket that looks like it could be a block-off plate for a distributor.


The coil pack head IS NOT drilled for a distributor... And I would NOT bore it.

I don't know jack about swapping in the coil pack head, or forgot it, but that's a majorly important thing.


Also, the 2WD T100 I had at the time had a common W or an R150 tranns mated to the 3RZ.

So there is a bellhousing out there to get it on a 4WD tranny.


Sorry I forgot what it was...


PS, starter, intake and exhaust manni sides are swapped. (Toyota even changed the hood prop sides on the Tacoma)

The 22R had 96hp, the RE 115 IIRC.

The 3RZ has 150 hp and only a few foot/lbs torque shy of a 3VZ
 
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I would go with the 2RZ/3RZ if I were you. Best thing I did to my rig. Cruise 75-80 on the highway all the time. Plenty of power...
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I would go with the 2RZ/3RZ if I were you. Best thing I did to my rig. Cruise 75-80 on the highway all the time. Plenty of power...

I would love to do the swap but I don't have the confidence to do it. I am going to read up on it some more...
 
I would love to do the swap but I don't have the confidence to do it. I am going to read up on it some more...

Meatroaf-

I'd advise having a trusted shop do it. I want to do this swap, too, but there's no way I could manage the fab work, install, and tuning on my own with minimal downtime (my rig's my DD) and my own lack of experience in the matter. I'm comfortable with routine maintenance and waving a soldering iron menacingly at my truck, but there's no way I'd try this on my own.

there's no shame in leaving the swaps to the pros who know what they're doing.

:beer::beer:

I would go with the 2RZ/3RZ if I were you. Best thing I did to my rig. Cruise 75-80 on the highway all the time. Plenty of power...

Lowride -
Do you have a build thread? I'm planning on a 3RZ swap into my first-gen a few years down the road, and would like all the information I could get.

That said:
I did the math, and decided that a 3RZ is a better bet than a built 22R, because:
- The cost of a firecracker 22R alone would be the cost of a complete 3RZ swap.
- Building a 22R is limiting yourself to 20-to-30 year-old tech, regardless, so you'll still have the shorter end of the stick for support, and more services are available via stealerships if you're on the road, and need a repair,
-Parts avialability will be about the same either way
-3RZ will handle highway speeds better
- the stock W59 is a very very smooth-shifting, fairly stout transmission.

To do the swap, you'll need an entire wire harness - the easiet route is to acquire the complete unit, and cut-and-cap the wires you don't need (IE, I plan on cutting out AC, power windows, ABS, airbags, electronics for 4WD) and lay the entire unit in. The affordable option is to do this yourself, and route all the wires preemtively before the physical swap, or the shop can do it (for about 10-18 hours was the quote I recieved :eek:)

Transmission mounts must be relocated - speaking from a first-gen owner's standpoint, the W59 is HUGE compared to the L-series.
My gut says the motor mounts will have to be changed as well - there's no way on earth Toyota would try and keep the 22R mounts, despite the R designation. (You might as well throw in a 3" body lift and drivetrain lift while you're at it - get yourself a flat belly, there's never a better opportunity than when your truck's guts are out.)

Things I'm stil unsure of:
- Can a Marlin adapter mate the R1AF to the W59?
- What of PS?
- Which side of the truck is the clutch T/O fork on?
- How tall is the 3RZ compared to 22R, will it clear a first-gen hood?
- Why was MST3K cancelled?

Also worth mentioning:
the 2RZ and 3RZ are the same motor from the deck up. The difference is the deck height itself, 2RZ is shorter, and has more of a car-like stroke for 2WD trucks. 3RZ is deeper, has a stoke comparable to the early 22R's deeper stroke, and will have greater compression - but will drive more tractor-like.
 
I would do a 3RZ in a heartbeat. I've actually been conspiring against my 22RE. If I ever find a 3RZ at the upull boneyard it would be very hard to leave it behind, even knowing it would sit in the garage on a stand for a few years. At least that would give me plenty of time to plan.

I have a R151F and Marlin makes the bellhousing to mate to the 3RZ. It's almost too easy.

Also, having installed a 3FE in my FJ40, wiring a transplant does not intimidate me at all. Don't over-analyse this.
 
I would go with the 2RZ/3RZ if I were you. Best thing I did to my rig. Cruise 75-80 on the highway all the time. Plenty of power...

Ya, more info. How did you route the exhaust?
 
I may just buy the 3RZ I can source here and as fund$ permits get someone to help with the swap... I can get motor, harness, ECU, Alt, A/C, starter, ps pump for ~$700 w/115K miles.
 
that's a pretty sweet deal.


I think so... the problem is that it is pulled out of a wrecked 4runner and I dont think there is a way for me to see/hear it run. Any suggestions?
 
Don't have time at the moment but Ill dig some photos up from the swap in a few days.
~Wiring is the worst part of it, I spent hours upon hours on the couch digging through FSM pages and watching movies while, cutting and pulling wires
~Exhaust is routed down and under the tranny
~I used a W56 with a W59 Bellhousing/Marlin Dual Ultimate Crawler/ SC is on the drivers side
~No body lift is needed
~Engine mounts need to be cut and rewelded (no biggie) Tranny mount ended up in the same spot in my rig
~For Power Steering I use the new pump with the old box


Best advice I can say is get the newest low miles 2/3RZ you can find. Even if you end up spending a bit more for it, its well worth it. I picked one up with 14k on the clock, I think to have a bit over 22K now. Been up and down the coast this year a few times and on countless offroad trips. The motor is fast and quite, depending on driving style I get mid 20's for MPG's. Did some kayaking and surfing a few hours south over the weekend, did 75 with gear and kayaks with out a problem.
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I think so... the problem is that it is pulled out of a wrecked 4runner and I dont think there is a way for me to see/hear it run. Any suggestions?

Have a shop Dyno it.
 
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