These mid generation changes and lack of field testing is exactly why things like this happen. This is what happens when decisons are made by businessmen and not engineerss.
The 6 speed was driven around the world for 5 years in a demo 200 before being released. I doubt the 8 speed went through any rigorous testing.
I wouldn't go that far. I have no doubt that Toyota tested it extensively before plopping it into the most reliability-conscious vehicle in their line-up...but it does sound like something was missed if reports of multiple transmission replacements are to true.
These mid generation changes and lack of field testing is exactly why things like this happen. This is what happens when decisons are made by businessmen and not engineerss.
The 6 speed was driven around the world for 5 years in a demo 200 before being released. I doubt the 8 speed went through any rigorous testing.
Interesting. As for the issue of reverse to drive and that "boinging" sound and the brief traction light-my 2015 does the same thing if I try to go too fast from reverse to drive.
Try keeping your foot on the brake, shift to drive, wait a second and then go. It won't do it if you follow those steps. I know the manual actually spells out this process as well for shifting gears, hope that helps.
Really hope they are not putting a sedan transmission in a truck. The LC has always had a transmission dedicated to their trucks. The ZF 8 speed (if that's what it is) is in everything.
Really hope they are not putting a sedan transmission in a truck. The LC has always had a transmission dedicated to their trucks. The ZF 8 speed (if that's what it is) is in everything.
I don't understand all the angst. Take the new transmission and be happy it was found early and they will give you something to drive while they replace it. It is still a new truck, getting a replacement Land Crusier doesn't seem like something they should or need to do. That is just my opinion, I am sure (as posted) others have a different one
Every complicated product in the world has early failures. Some call it bath tub failures as its the part of the curve that drops down for a bit before coming up on frequency of issues or they are also known as infant mortalities.
These things happen, whats important is the company standing behind it to make it right and it looks like they are.
This is a new tranny for the LC and we should expect some escapements. Likely why Toyota wants the tranny back to see what happened and to improve their test process
I don't understand all the angst. Take the new transmission and be happy it was found early and they will give you something to drive while they replace it. It is still a new truck, getting a replacement Land Crusier doesn't seem like something they should or need to do. That is just my opinion, I am sure (as posted) others have a different one
Every complicated product in the world has early failures. Some call it bath tub failures as its the part of the curve that drops down for a bit before coming up on frequency of issues or they are also known as infant mortalities.
These things happen, whats important is the company standing behind it to make it right and it looks like they are.
This is a new tranny for the LC and we should expect some escapements. Likely why Toyota wants the tranny back to see what happened and to improve their test process
While I completely agree with you that "things happen", I would say that one of the main reasons a lot of people are wiling to drop over $80k on a Toyota is specifically because Toyota has a reputation for testing, testing, and testing some more before putting anything into production. Given the other choices for 3 row vehicles at this price point with similar amenities and features, Toyota's number 1 marketplace advantage is the perception of bullet-proof reliability. That's one of the main reasons to buy an $80k Toyota vs. an $80k Range Rover.
Of course, transmissions (and cars generally) are so incredibly complicated at this point, failure does seem more likely even with highly tested parts. I guess we'll all just have to see if these early transmission failures are a few isolated incidents or if something else is going on.
While I completely agree with you that "things happen", I would say that one of the main reasons a lot of people are wiling to drop over $80k on a Toyota is specifically because Toyota has a reputation for testing, testing, and testing some more before putting anything into production. Given the other choices for 3 row vehicles at this price point with similar amenities and features, Toyota's number 1 marketplace advantage is the perception of bullet-proof reliability. That's one of the main reasons to buy an $80k Toyota vs. an $80k Range Rover.
Of course, transmissions (and cars generally) are so incredibly complicated at this point, failure does seem more likely even with highly tested parts. I guess we'll all just have to see if these early transmission failures are a few isolated incidents or if something else is going on.
Local 2016 URJ200 lost it's transmission as well. Toyota is replacing under warranty.
It makes sense that some of these are failing as it is a new transmission (a first for Toyota in an SUV) and there are going to be growing pains.
They are machines designed by humans and manufactured by humans. Problems, mistakes are bound to happen. it's the nature of introducing new assemblies into vehicles.
As long as Toyota takes care of it, I wouldn't fret too much about it in all honesty.
Local 2016 URJ200 lost it's transmission as well. Toyota is replacing under warranty.
It makes sense that some of these are failing as it is a new transmission (a first for Toyota in an SUV) and there are going to be growing pains.
They are machines designed by humans and manufactured by humans. Problems, mistakes are bound to happen. it's the nature of introducing new assemblies into vehicles.
As long as Toyota takes care of it, I wouldn't fret too much about it in all honesty.
Interesting. As for the issue of reverse to drive and that "boinging" sound and the brief traction light-my 2015 does the same thing if I try to go too fast from reverse to drive.
Try keeping your foot on the brake, shift to drive, wait a second and then go. It won't do it if you follow those steps. I know the manual actually spells out this process as well for shifting gears, hope that helps.
This was my thought. I was going to ask if the OP is coming to a complete stop before shifting from R to D. On my inclined driveway I've had the traction control kick on when I was in D and I took my foot off the brake pedal. Due to the incline, the car started to roll backward while in D a tiny bit. The traction control kicked in and that has a unique and distinct sound/feeling!
You are the 4th 8 speed tranny replacement I heard of.
Two on club Lexus has had their lx570 8 speed trans replaced
My dad had his 2016lx570 trans replaced at 1800 miles. At 5400 miles it acted up again, and he ended up lemoning it. It was his 9th new Lexus and he is done. Moved on
My lx570 2016, mall cruiser, so far has been fine after 6109 miles
I went with 6MT on my TRD PRO Tacoma , due to the huge number of transmission problems on Tacoma world in the new tacomas
I wonder how many 8 speed LCs/LXs have been sold in the US? 1500? 2000? I have to say, any way you slice it, its not good for the reputation of Toyota/Lexus or the LC/LX. All new cars come with a full bumper-to-bumper warranty, so you would expect Toyota to cover it. But when your neighbor asks you where your brand new $80k Toyota is, and you tell them its in the shop getting a new transmission, well.... Most people don't even know that LCs are still being produced and sold in the US. I never did like the sound of an 8 Speed Automatic Transmission in an LC. Makes me kinda queazy. I hope they gave you a nice loaner. Loaded 4Runner? Maybe sent you to the Lexus store to pick up the LX demo?
A bit of a discouraging thread. I'm considering a new 200 and don't like the idea of dealing with a transmission failure on an $80K vehicle known for reliability. The 200s are sold in such small numbers that it seems to me the number of reports here on MUD (which of course represent only a small number of owners to begin with) indicate the problem may be widespread and significant with the 8 speed. Hmmmm..........my trusty "old" 100 looks good right now, even 3 gears short.
I just hit 1000 miles on my 2017, no problems to report. Agreed that this is not great news, considering the price point. Makes our bickering about lack of automatic rear hatch doors, LED turn signals and proper daytime running lights seem very trivial. Happy to lean on Toyota to make right until it's right.
Funny story, had a buddy of mine drive mine on the day I took delivery so he could plant it in our driveway at night. The plan was to have my wife and kids wake up the next morning and find it out there - they were not aware of the purchase. After he parked it, he sent me a text asking, "hey, that is a nice ride, what was that, a Highlander? Sequoia?"
Ugh, can't get my lift and tires on there fast enough...
Would be interesting to hear from anyone with a tranny failure after lift and tires, if Toyota would try to pin it on the owner after modification...
