1976 2F swap into 1966 Fj40

[kindoflikerambo]

Mudders,

I am seeking knowledge on a few idiosyncrasies of the swap mentioned in the title. Yes there are many considerations but I'll keep my questions bulleted and concise. First a few important considerations:
-I pulled the stock 1966 1F and have all the engine mounts and goodies. Engine ran great (only had 89k original miles) but I'm sick of adding lead additive and the 1bbl carb, while the MPGs are the best of any Cruiser I've driven, the power trade off doesn't quite suit my needs. Anyone looking for a complete running early 1F let me know and we'll make it happen on good terms for both parties.
-I have a complete 1976 2F stock with the exception of a brand new never installed Non-USA later OEM Aisin Carb.
-My 1966 fj40 is stock.

Questions:
1) Will I have height clearence issues dropping in my 1976 2F into my engine bay? If so how do you solve? Swap engine motor mount brackets? Air cleaner heights? What have you observed (not heard)?
2) How will I solve my (early early) style accelerator to mate with my newer carb? (I purchased a complete factory 1976 2F accelerator linkage package and a (mid-later vintage) style orange boot accelerator pedal but would rather seek options for ease that people have observed (not heard). Is there a good cable option that would make my life easier?

If you have read this far thank you for you time! I have conducted a lot of research over the years in anticipation of this swap and there are many rights and wrongs and opinions. I am hoping for first hand observations or knowledge from the sage Landcruiser omnipotent pros who know! You know who you are out there and thank you for all the knowledge you have imbued on us Cruiser folks!

Once I'm finished with this swap I'll have some early Landcruiser drive terrain goodies. Have some other odds and ends I'll be losting to clean out too so let me know. Not trying to make a buck. Trying to keep the quality OEM parts in circulation for eveyone to enjoy!

Thanks again!

 

[charliemeyer007]

I think the PO fabbed up the cable attachment on the carb for both the gas pedal and choke. There is brazing showing that doesn't look factory. He was a very cleaver guy.
Some time back timmyisinthewell post this pic of the old man-a-fre ad. The unit was given to me. I have been told people tried DIYing with window screen - but it dissolves away very quickly.

 

[kindoflikerambo]

I think the PO fabbed up the cable attachment on the carb for both the gas pedal and choke. There is brazing showing that doesn't look factory. He was a very cleaver guy.
Some time back timmyisinthewell post this pic of the old man-a-fre ad. The unit was given to me. I have been told people tried DIYing with window screen - but it dissolves away very quickly.

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Yeah I may need to fab something to get it to work but I've also seen some really good ideas on this thread.

That Manafre ad is awesome! I'll bet the replicas likely don't have readily available access to tungsten. Could be the reason for failure.

 

[brian]

Now I have to go digging. What i thought hanging on the wall, was a 40 series throttle cable turned out to be an 80 series cable.
Once everything is finalized, I'll do something to plug holes, whether it's fasteners or rubber plugs.

 

[rkymtnflyfisher]

It was hard to get a good pic, or a solid measurement. The non-US carb I'm rolling with is about an 1/8" short of 6". The non-US air cleaner angles down to meet the carb. (I'm like 99% sure the US spec carb is taller.)

I scored that middle eastern spec air cleaner in @brian's backyard back in the day.



I'm also sporting the 74 linkage that has the oddball firewall mount. It probably isn't 100% correct in the setup I'm running.

But if it works, don't fix it.

Edit-I should maybe one day add a return spring to that train wreck.

 

[kindoflikerambo]

Now I have to go digging. What i thought hanging on the wall, was a 40 series throttle cable turned out to be an 80 series cable.
Once everything is finalized, I'll do something to plug holes, whether it's fasteners or rubber plugs.

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That pedal style looks like it would be the easiest for a cable conversion for me! Thanks for sharing that picture!

 

[kindoflikerambo]

It was hard to get a good pic, or a solid measurement. The non-US carb I'm rolling with is about an 1/8" short of 6". The non-US air cleaner angles down to meet the carb. (I'm like 99% sure the US spec carb is taller.)View attachment 4134393View attachment 4134394

I scored that middle eastern spec air cleaner in @brian's backyard back in the day.



I'm also sporting the 74 linkage that has the oddball firewall mount. It probably isn't 100% correct in the setup I'm running.

But if it works, don't fix it.
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Edit-I should maybe one day add a return spring to that train wreck.

I also acquired my pedal from the mid east. Thanks for sending this picture of the linkage. I didn't measure the full height of my carb for my short weekend home but I will when I get back as I'll be home for a week! The linkage that you have in these pics appears to be the same type as the parts package for mine. My old (original) style of linkage juts out and changes the direction of movement (tension) upward directly under the carb (half the distance of the block) and sneaks up behind the exhaust pipe tucked up close to the block, whereas from what I can see in the pictures you all sent me of your newere and adpated linkages, the upward movement (tension) starts a few inches off the firewall. Thes pictures really do help solve my issues! Thanks for posting pictures!

 

[kindoflikerambo]

 

[kindoflikerambo]

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In my short window home this weekend I swapped out my old exhaust studs and hung my manifolds. (I really should have painted them). OH WHALE ! I have motor mounts and this coming week + weekend I'm going to test fit and try to come up with a linkage and or cable solution with all the pictures and guidance y'all have provided to me! I'll keep this thread going until I find a solution and gets pics addressing 1) will it fit and 2) accelerator adaptor solutions for 2F in and early model. My next thread (while there is already a great one that exists) will be on adapting a cityracerllc power brake booster in an early model. One thing at a time though! Cheers!

 

[kindoflikerambo]

Now I have to go digging. What i thought hanging on the wall, was a 40 series throttle cable turned out to be an 80 series cable.
Once everything is finalized, I'll do something to plug holes, whether it's fasteners or rubber plugs.

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I also forgot to ask. Do you know what (year) vintage that pedal is? Maybe someone on here does? Thanks! I might try to track one down or something darn near similar to keep the syock appearance

 

[brian]

I also forgot to ask. Do you know what (year) vintage that pedal is? Maybe someone on here does? Thanks! I might try to track one down or something darn near similar to keep the syock appearance

I want to say 70 or 71.
There are after market versions of it sold, often as an add on from weber carb vendors....dont waste time with that one.
The material used to form it, is either wetnoodlesium or bendbylookingatite.

 

[pb4ugo]

My 72 had a similar pedal.

 

[kindoflikerambo]

Put a '83 2F from a 60 series in my '69, I found:

1) No height issue but you will need newer style engine mounts.

2) A 1976 accelerator set up has the cable to a bell crank to the linkage to the carb that works.

Show us some pictures of what you have.

Here's the bell crank from a '76 that you will probably need, believe it was originally zink coated but I painted mine. You will also need a return spring fitted to it to keep the carb from getting stuck at full acceleration...DAMHIK....

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After all my searching and measuring and configuring.... You are correct! I need this bellcrank linkage. Does anyone know where ai can source this part? Based on SOR.com it sppears to be a 1973 bellcrank.style linkage but it I could get source this linkage, I can solve my carburetor conversion problem. Any ideas mudders?

 

[kindoflikerambo]

After all my searching and measuring and configuring.... You are correct! I need this bellcrank linkage. Does anyone know where ai can source this part? Based on SOR.com it sppears to be a 1973 bellcrank.style linkage but it I could get source this linkage, I can solve my carburetor conversion problem. Any ideas mudders?

Active hunt for this part now.

 

[Pighead]

Any ideas mudders?

Probably my first telephone call would be to Mark A. (@65swb45 )

 

[brian]

Probably my first telephone call would be to Mark A. (@65swb45 )

Wonder if he has two

 

[Pighead]

Wonder if he has two

He's only a phone call away, sometimes.

 

[65swb45]

Thanks for the mention @Pighead . Unfortunately my supply of those is so limited that I have to hang on to my remaining inventory for in-house jobs.

As an observation, when I was scanning EBay a couple of years ago and saw the Chicom 3F carbs, I noted that they had reverted to a cable. Maybe…?

 

[kindoflikerambo]

Probably my first telephone call would be to Mark A. (@65swb45 )

Thank you! I never know a good time to call Mark. When we connect it always turns into a sale but unfortunately I haven't had the best of luck connecting. I guess when you're the best you're in demand. Thanks for the reccomend.

 

[60 40]

After all my searching and measuring and configuring.... You are correct! I need this bellcrank linkage. Does anyone know where ai can source this part? Based on SOR.com it sppears to be a 1973 bellcrank.style linkage but it I could get source this linkage, I can solve my carburetor conversion problem. Any ideas mudders?

I also figured Mark would be the guy to get these from but was only able to find a used one at SOR....arrived bent and they charged me about $150!

Despite my disappointment seemed to be the only game in town so bent it back into shape, painted it and made it work. Hope you can find one, perhaps Cruiser Brothers?

 

[Pighead]

Active hunt for this part now.

Maybe @pardion ?