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100 series vs 80 series
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See what is out there FS in your price range with the respective models. A 100 will probably turn out to be a better value and is more road friendly. My recommendation would be NOT to lift and put big tires on until you've had the vehicle for awhile and see what it is capable of in stock form.
That’s my point as well. Why do we need a stock Land Cruiser that weights almost 6,000lbs. Toyota seems to follow the trend of every other automaker and they’re being pressured to make these cars heavier by installing more safety features, more tech, bigger engines etc. the result is fat heavy pigs on the rod that are not enjoyable to drive at all. Even the 100 is a HEAVY pig, but then Toyota makes the 200 even heavier.
I'm a realist! But, you also won't find too many 25 year old, abused and overloaded Jeeps in Australia. Happy?My turbo has 260k miles. My daily LX450 has 308k miles. GX470 200k miles. 2000 LC100 has 165k.......long term durability and longevity.....Pre-2010 Toyota for the WIN!
Your in the wrong forum to be promoting "heeps"
I posted these before. Toyota pretty much built the 80/100/200+ for the Middle East and Australia. They then put a little lipstick on them and sold a few in the US who wanted an "overbuilt" SUV. These SUVs aren't for everyone. If you aren't going to overload and abuse them, Toyota made the 120/150/250/Prado.
Here are the LC Wagon Sales Worldwide for 2006.
Country/Sales/Percentage of Total
N. America 3605 4.36%
CS America 2519 3.05%
Europe 13405 16.21%
Africa 6781 8.20%
China 2793 3.38%
Asia 589 0.71%
Oceania (Aus) 9660 11.68%
Middle East 38831 46.96%
Japan 4,501 5.44%
So the Middle East buys 47% of all LC wagons.
This is why iam biased to FZJ80s
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An 80 is a lot of work to baseline. Once that is done you could add forced induction. The problem with forced induction is you have to constantly monitor the engine closely. Any small running issues that are not a big deal naturally aspirated are a big deal with forced induction. Lose fuel pressure, get some bad gas, or have a injector go bad and you kill a piston or throw a rod.
I would skip the 100 and go to the 200. The power of the 3ur is really nice. Ive seen some very capable 200s.
I would skip the 100 and go to the 200. The power of the 3ur is really nice. Ive seen some very capable 200s.
Everything about your situation screams a 100 Series over an 80 imho. Take it from someone with a 100 Series and a 16 month old - you will not have time to wrench between kid(s) and work most likely.
Like others mentioned, spring for a 200 if possible because 100s are old too. I find myself paying a mechanic more often for my 100 than I did my ‘21 Jeep Gladiator. That’s only because I had more free time to learn about my Jeep vs now with my 100 and child (not a reliability comparison btw, just a comparison of me wrenching vs a mechanic).
Anyways, I’d go at least well maintained, no rust 100. Easy on the lift imo as well. For overlanding, a stock 80 or 100 with proper ATs/MTs/RTs will be plenty. If anything, get some under body armor to protect vitals if you’re worried about ground clearance out in the sticks.
Good luck OP, and congratulations on the baby! Parenthood is awesome.
Edit: And get a winch too! Good tires, winch, and underbody armor are three things I’d get before lifting personally. In that order too. As you probably know, once you start lifting trucks, driveline and steering angles get all out of whack. You throw 35s on, and then you lose significant range on a tank of fuel too. Unless it’s a dedicated trail rig for crawling, the returns of a lift and huge tires diminish quickly imo. All that being said, yes it looks badass.
Like others mentioned, spring for a 200 if possible because 100s are old too. I find myself paying a mechanic more often for my 100 than I did my ‘21 Jeep Gladiator. That’s only because I had more free time to learn about my Jeep vs now with my 100 and child (not a reliability comparison btw, just a comparison of me wrenching vs a mechanic).
Anyways, I’d go at least well maintained, no rust 100. Easy on the lift imo as well. For overlanding, a stock 80 or 100 with proper ATs/MTs/RTs will be plenty. If anything, get some under body armor to protect vitals if you’re worried about ground clearance out in the sticks.
Good luck OP, and congratulations on the baby! Parenthood is awesome.
Edit: And get a winch too! Good tires, winch, and underbody armor are three things I’d get before lifting personally. In that order too. As you probably know, once you start lifting trucks, driveline and steering angles get all out of whack. You throw 35s on, and then you lose significant range on a tank of fuel too. Unless it’s a dedicated trail rig for crawling, the returns of a lift and huge tires diminish quickly imo. All that being said, yes it looks badass.
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Get a Sienna to drive the kid around and a built JL for trails. If you wanna talk about best case scenario that’s what I would suggest.
Land Cruisers are multi tools. Decent at many things, good overall but lots of limitations and super pricey to outfit for off-road use. A sienna (or similar van) and Wrangler are precision tools/ best in their class, no real competition.
I see what stock Rubicons do and it’s very impressive, wouldn’t even mod one for a long time unless you’re doing really dumb things with it.
Land Cruisers are multi tools. Decent at many things, good overall but lots of limitations and super pricey to outfit for off-road use. A sienna (or similar van) and Wrangler are precision tools/ best in their class, no real competition.
I see what stock Rubicons do and it’s very impressive, wouldn’t even mod one for a long time unless you’re doing really dumb things with it.
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I was reading this 80v100 thread and got sucked into your build thread. Thats a sweet 100
i have a 100 and my buddy has a 200. i drove his out in utah and it does feel bigger on the trail. but it is definitely more comfortable. i like the looks of the 100s better but if i were entering the market today i'd get a 200
Get a 105series and then you'll have both an 80series(solid axles, coil sprung F&R) and a 100series(body) in the same rig!
I know of an awesome one for sale--see my signature.
I was debating 80 vs 100 many years ago. Long sorry short, I got my 100 in 2019, used as a dd and off pavement. AHC, ATRAC, and 33s are pretty capable and very comfortable on road. However I got my 80 in 2023 because I just had to have one. I got a pretty clean example, no rust and factory locked. It took me over 2 years to baseline. Only thing left is an interior refresh. My plan was to do a full build on 37s, but I realized that's overkill for what I do, and it would take a lot of time and effort building it right. Now I'm doing a small lift and 35s because it's simple. Dobinsons suspension sitting in the garage. Can't find time to install it.
I dd both, and enjoy both in different ways. No comparison as far as capability, a locked 80 is hard to beat.
If I were forced to pick one to check all the boxes (dd, hit the trails, camping, road trips, hauling kids, etc), it would be the 100 hands down. But at that point I'd just get a 200. Would spend a fraction of the time and money baselining which means more time to enjoy it.
Depends on your priorities and use, and how much time/money you have to get the 80 in decent shape.
I dd both, and enjoy both in different ways. No comparison as far as capability, a locked 80 is hard to beat.
If I were forced to pick one to check all the boxes (dd, hit the trails, camping, road trips, hauling kids, etc), it would be the 100 hands down. But at that point I'd just get a 200. Would spend a fraction of the time and money baselining which means more time to enjoy it.
Depends on your priorities and use, and how much time/money you have to get the 80 in decent shape.
I have 4 kids. 8 to 14. We daily drive an lx470 and take it camping like crazy in the summer (at least 10x year). Whatever you get, don’t lift it until you’ve had it with kids for a while. That extra height will be a pain in the ass 90% of the time with car seats, groceries and then small kids trying to climb up and in.
I love having AHC - I can load the whole fam up at regular height, and if we’re on a bit of a trail I can raise it up to avoid clearance issues.
I love having AHC - I can load the whole fam up at regular height, and if we’re on a bit of a trail I can raise it up to avoid clearance issues.
Speaking purely aesthetically, I vote 80. To my 40 series-obsessed eyes, the 100 looks like any other bar-of-soap, bloated SUV. The 80 maintains the last vestige of Cruiser soul outside of the 70 series lineage.
Unless you plan on navigating boulder fields and extreme terrain, the 100 is more than capable. My mantra is “I need to drive this home,” and even so, I’ve tackled some pretty difficult trails.
We have a 100, 470 and 570. I just prefer the 470. I love how it drives and it just feels right. The 570 definitely has more features and power, but I feel more at home in the 100/470.
We have a 100, 470 and 570. I just prefer the 470. I love how it drives and it just feels right. The 570 definitely has more features and power, but I feel more at home in the 100/470.
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I can't really speak to the 100 vs 80 series debate much as I have no experience with 80's, but at this point even 100's are slightly past the $-to-miles ratio I considered reasonable when I bought my 100-series 7.5 years ago (165k miles on it for $8,500). I love it, but it's definitely slower than I'd like, with much lower fuel economy than I'm thrilled with. I wish my wife's '23 rock creek pathfinder had anywhere near the capability of the 100-series, and I'm not expecting anywhere near the longevity, but I do envy both the power and fuel economy.
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I feel you on the fuel efficiency but the new crop of Toyota 4x4s aren't really doing that much better. Certainly not enough to justify the increased complexity and other "issues".
Anyways, these days, fuel is cheap! No reason to complain now. ~$2.25/gal at Costco here in NC.