Rivian R1S vs LC thoughts? (4 Viewers)

[Adrenaline6]

Just a bit curious, what kinda arguments were you hearing?

When you say

what were they manipulating, and who was behind it?

Pushing the vaccine in general. People who didn't want to take it, lost their jobs, were canceled...labeled as super spreaders by the government and the msm. The evidence and the experts now admit, the vaccine doesn't slow the spread of COVID.
Natural immunity is as good as or better than the vaccine.
Masks, even though studies were already out that they were ineffective, were ignored and made mandatory. Now it is admitted that they are once again ineffective.
Kids don't need to take the vaccine (funny how the WHO announced that once the evidence was out)...but yet was made mandatory without any testing of long term side effects on kids.

There is spycam video of a Pfizer exec admitting that COVID is their cash cow and that there were talks of them experimenting with strains to try and predict future strains to develop the vaccine. Freaking bizarro world.

Big Pharma payed big money to so many politicians campaigns, it's ridiculous.

 

[Spock Dingledong]

You are not serious about that last part and taking intellectual superiority high ground right now right? I pray…

I'm asking for more details, I've heard the gambit of peoples thoughts on it, from fairly tame to bat**** crazy. So I was just wondering. Not entirely sure why you'd think asking what someone thinks is dumb.

 

[Spock Dingledong]

Pushing the vaccine in general. People who didn't want to take it, lost their jobs, were canceled...labeled as super spreaders by the government and the msm. The evidence and the experts now admit, the vaccine doesn't slow the spread of COVID.
Natural immunity is as good as or better than the vaccine.
Masks, even though studies were already out that they were ineffective, were ignored and made mandatory. Now it is admitted that they are once again ineffective.
Kids don't need to take the vaccine (funny how the WHO announced that once the evidence was out)...but yet was made mandatory without any testing of long term side effects on kids.

There is spycam video of a Pfizer exec admitting that COVID is their cash cow and that there were talks of them experimenting with strains to try and predict future strains to develop the vaccine. Freaking bizarro world.

Big Pharma payed big money to so many politicians campaigns, it's ridiculous.

So do you think its better to get sick, or get the vaccine?

 

[Adrenaline6]

Edit: I don't know why I am bothering, we have no common ground, you think everything you don't believe is a big con/lie and everyone else is tricked but you.

I could post literally anything and you can find a "counter source" for it, albeit disingenuous like all the others you posted (including the Fauci thing).

I'm not a doomer, but I think people and emissions can impact our planet, cause of like looking around me. Not sure how that is controversial.

It's funny how you can't see the very bubble you live in. You mention that you could post literally anything and someone can find a counter source albeit disengenuous. That's exactly what you could be doing. What makes you automatically right?

Looking around you does not fall into any scientific method whatsoever.

 

[AnyMal]

I'm asking for more details, I've heard the gambit of peoples thoughts on it, from fairly tame to bats*** crazy. So I was just wondering. Not entirely why you'd think asking what someone thinks is dumb. Like what Adrenaline6 said, that take is hot f***ing garbage and I pity them to be completely candid. I know they'll read this and go "I pity spock, because he's super wrong". That's the way it works when people can't agree on the facts.

Sorry. The way the question was phrased was inquisitive in a tiring way to me. Perhaps you have genuine interest? I would be surprised at this point.

Im just really not going to talk about covid. No offense to you though. It is hard to tell what people mean online.

 

[Adrenaline6]

So do you think its better to get sick, or get the vaccine?

That wasn't the point I was making...who is being disingenuous? And it also was proven that the vaccine didn't prevent you from getting it either. So there's that.

 

[Spock Dingledong]

It's funny how you can't see the very bubble you live in. You mention that you could post literally anything and someone can find a counter source albeit disengenuous. That's exactly what you could be doing. What makes you automatically right?

Looking around you does not fall into any scientific method whatsoever.

I deleted a lot because its an effort in futility man and I realized that after I responded.

That wasn't the point I was making...who is being disingenuous? And it also was proven that the vaccine didn't prevent you from getting it either. So there's that.

I dont really think my question hinges on your point. I wanted to know if you think its better to get the vaccine or get sick.

 

[Adrenaline6]

I'm asking for more details, I've heard the gambit of peoples thoughts on it, from fairly tame to bats*** crazy. So I was just wondering. Not entirely sure why you'd think asking what someone thinks is dumb.

Just one example of many.

 

[Adrenaline6]

*Deleted to get back on topic:*

How about those Rivians?

 

[Spock Dingledong]

Shoot I don't have instagram, must be why I'm so gaslit. So you think its better to get sick with Covid then get the vaccine?

 

[AnyMal]

Gentlemen I respectfully sign off.
I could not give a rats ass about anything else that happens in this thread.
And the Rivian is a certified piece of s***. LOL

 

[Adrenaline6]

I deleted a lot because its an effort in futility man and I realized that after I responded.

I dont really think my question hinges on your point. I wanted to know if you think its better to get the vaccine or get sick.

That's what's disingenuous. The vaccine doesn't prevent you from catching it.

 

[Spock Dingledong]

That's what's disingenuous. The vaccine doesn't prevent you from catching it.

I mean I agree, in fact no vaccine is actually what immunologists would call "sterilizing", meaning, you have to be infected (or what we think of as exposed) for your body to respond to it. Are you in the "the vaccine minimizes symptoms but you still are as infectious to others" camp or the "it doesnt work at all" camp?

 

[Adrenaline6]

I mean I agree, in fact no vaccine is actually what immunologists would call "sterilizing", meaning, you have to be infected (or what we think of as exposed) for your body to responded to it. Are you in the "the vaccine minimizes symptoms but you still are as infectious to others" camp or the "it doesnt work at all" camp?

 

[Spock Dingledong]

 

[Adrenaline6]

No dude. In this case, it is proven that this vaccine did really nothing to prevent contraction. Now it might have helped people with symptoms...especially the elderly and ones with comorbidities. For most everyone else, it was the flu or less.

So why make the vaccine mandatory when it does nothing for the spread? Makes zero logical sense...except when you bring money into it.

Why make young healthy people and kids who have almost a non existent risk to COVID take a vaccine that is not really tested long term for health concerns? Again, zero logic...except when money is brought into it. They can't even be sued for it.

We shut down a whole nation for nothing and did uncalculated harm not only to the economy but to the population in general as a whole.

A Johns Hopkins study says 'ill-founded' COVID lockdowns did more harm than good

The researchers say lockdowns had no noticeable effect on reducing COVID-related deaths and a "devastating effect" on economies and social ills.

health.wusf.usf.edu

I hope John Hopkins is scientific enough for you.

 

[Spock Dingledong]

No dude. In this case, it is proven that this vaccine did really nothing to prevent contraction. Now it might have helped people with symptoms...especially the elderly and ones with comorbidities. For most everyone else, it was the flu or less.

So why make the vaccine mandatory when it does nothing for the spread? Makes zero logical sense...except when you bring money into it.

Why make young healthy people and kids who have almost a non existent risk to COVID take a vaccine that is not really tested long term for health concerns? Again, zero logic...except when money is brought into it. They can't even be sued for it.

We shut down a whole nation for nothing and did uncalculated harm not only to the economy but to the population in general as a whole.

A Johns Hopkins study says 'ill-founded' COVID lockdowns did more harm than good

The researchers say lockdowns had no noticeable effect on reducing COVID-related deaths and a "devastating effect" on economies and social ills.

health.wusf.usf.edu

I hope John Hopkins is scientific enough for you.

This article is fine it also doesnt mention the vaccine at all, but I'm not really talking about lockdowns. I was never in any lockdown so I don't really know what that must have been like basically being in jail I'd guess, can't even leave your house. Education arguably suffered but based on opinions in this thread it was already in the crapper.

Also not really talking about mandates. I think its weird the army made me get 100 vaccines, but ya'll can't even stomach this one while Im searching for my small pox scab because you can get small pox from it, but that's besides the point.

So, like you said vaccine lessens peoples symptoms right? Some times to the point people don't know they are sick.

 

[TeCKis300]

No dude. In this case, it is proven that this vaccine did really nothing to prevent contraction. Now it might have helped people with symptoms...especially the elderly and ones with comorbidities. For most everyone else, it was the flu or less.

So why make the vaccine mandatory when it does nothing for the spread? Makes zero logical sense...except when you bring money into it.

Why make young healthy people and kids who have almost a non existent risk to COVID take a vaccine that is not really tested long term for health concerns? Again, zero logic...except when money is brought into it. They can't even be sued for it.

We shut down a whole nation for nothing and did uncalculated harm not only to the economy but to the population in general as a whole.

A Johns Hopkins study says 'ill-founded' COVID lockdowns did more harm than good

The researchers say lockdowns had no noticeable effect on reducing COVID-related deaths and a "devastating effect" on economies and social ills.

health.wusf.usf.edu

I hope John Hopkins is scientific enough for you.

It won't make a bit of difference, because this arguing with the internet.

Buddy, your premises are wrong. This is not a black and white case. So many of these complex discussions are not black and white which is why there's always good reasons on either side - it's a degree of.

The goal for covid vaccines was never to prevent spread or contraction. That's a simplification for the layman for comprehension. It's to minimize impact - slow down spread, minimize death. Allow resources to keep up and not inundate society and hospitals where death becomes more likely. Same with masks.

Sure, you'll tell me of people that died with the vaccine anyways, or maybe some causal issues related with the vacinne. None of that is wrong, but this is a game of percentages and numbers, and not absolutes. That requires more comprehension than the average layman can digest.

It's a sad time when comprehension is based on heaadlines.

You do you.

 

[Adrenaline6]

So I'm not really talking about lockdowns. I was never in any lockdown so I don't really know what that must have been like basically being in jail I'd guess, can't even leave your house. Education arguably suffered but based on opinions in this thread it was already in the crapper.

Also not really talking about mandates. I think its weird the army made me get 100 vaccines, but ya'll can't even stomach this one, but that's besides the point.

So since this article actually doesn't even mention the vaccine. So, like you said vaccine lessens peoples symptoms right? Some times to the point people don't know they are sick.

That is not what was said. You seem to pick and choose a lot here and like to play on words when you know damn well what is being said OR are just too stupid to comprehend it. I am going with the first because I don't think you are stupid.

You joined the army, you know what it entails...that also is a choice. So yes, that is beside the point so why make it?

Your last point is ignoring mine, so lets put a simulated situation on it. If you were told you were most likely to get sick, but if you took this pill, it might make your symptoms less, but have no real data on what it's going to do to you later on in life. If you didn't take it, you more than likely will just get flu symptoms or less. Would you take it? I wouldn't. What's the plus side here for young healthy people?

Old or comorbid people, the risks are different. So then would the choice be different.

Emphasis on CHOICE.

 

[Adrenaline6]

It won't make a bit of difference, because this arguing with the internet.

Buddy, your premises are wrong. This is not a black and white case. So many of these complex discussions are not black and white which is why there's always good reasons on either side - it's a degree of.

The goal for covid vaccines was never to prevent spread or contraction. That's a simplification for the layman for comprehension. It's to minimize impact - slow down spread, minimize death. Allow resources to keep up and not inundate society and hospitals where death becomes more likely. Same with masks.

Sure, you'll tell me of people that died with the vaccine anyways, or maybe some causal issues related with the vacinne. None of that is wrong, but this is a game of percentages and numbers, and not absolutes. That requires more comprehension than the average layman can digest.

It's a sad time when comprehension is based on heaadlines.

You do you.

It has been mentioned multiple times that it had zero impact on spread. John Hopkins study estimates a 0.2% impact on deaths. Sweden didn't do much of anything. They are fine.