Status on 90915-20004 filters

[vcheng]

I understand.

I'm out completely. I'll let someone else enjoy the thrill of buying a $15.00+ filter for their truck.

LandTank: I understand perfectly your point of view, and respect your decision.

For everybody else, who is crazy enough, like me, to be interested still, I went to the post office today.

A case of 10 filters weighs about 7 lbs, and will cost about $15 to ship to the lower 48, making to final cost (15x10)+15=$165 ($16.50 per filter).

One filter weighs 10 oz and will cost about $5 to send by first class mail, making the final cost a whopping $20.

Now that we all know the final price due to my inefficient and more than a little demented scheme, please feel free to tell me how to improve the system. MOT has kindly agreed to send more filters if needed, and I am perfectly happy to front the not inconsiderable cost at my risk, and send them onwards. Please note that I have rounded all the figures given above to keep it easier for me to remember and track, but with no intent to profit from this.

I would highly recommend that anybody interested directly get the filters from MOT via sea shipping, and thus avoid getting hit twice with exaggerated shipping charges for air express that I perhaps unwisely chose to shorten the process.

Although I have saved all the PMs, it will be easier for everybody to restate their interest and I will PM them my address to send a personal check. Going by MOT's advice, I will wait for the check to clear before mailing the filters.

 

[e9999]

guys, let's say you pay $5 for a crappy filter instead of this, you have saved $10.

Say you keep the filter 4000 miles. 4000 miles at 13 mpg is 308 gallons of gas at $3.30 / gal is $1015. Leaving aside all the other expenses, you will have saved a whopping 1% of your gas cost by choosing the crappy filter over the good one...

Not to mention possibly abbreviating the life of your very expensive synth oil?


Worth worrying about ?

Get the good filters!

 

[Rich]

How is a filter going to abbreviate the life of the oil?

 

[tarbe]

guys, let's say you pay $5 for a crappy filter

You can buy an excellent filter for $5 (or less). Probably not as good as the 2004...but perfectly adequate for the filtration needs of the 1FZFE.

 

[tarbe]

How is a filter going to abbreviate the life of the oil?

If the filter was so crappy as to allow solids to get above say 1% during a normal interval, then yes, I'd say pay the big bucks. But you can get a perfectly good Wix or Motorcraft filter for about $3 if you shop.

 

[semlin]

Tarbe, do you believe in synthetic oil? i'll play devil's advocate with you. Why does Toyota use a more expensive filter on its new cars if the better filtering media is unnecessary? Saving $2 or $3 per vehicle is big money.

 

[hatman406080]

What is the difference between this filter (15600-41010 I just picked up 10 for $10.85) and 90015-2004?

hattrick '75 fj40/'87 fj60/'93 fzj80 arb,ome 2.5,kaymar,bfg285/75 AT

 

[landtank]

Tarbe, do you believe in synthetic oil? i'll play devil's advocate with you. Why does Toyota use a more expensive filter on its new cars if the better filtering media is unnecessary? Saving $2 or $3 per vehicle is big money.

My thinking on this is during the initial oil change of a new engine better filtration is a prudent choice considering the likely hood of more material entering the system during break in.

 

[vcheng]

I've posted this before, but you can buy Toyota YZZD3 filters on the internet for only $3.60 per filter including shipping for a case of 10 filters.

I admit my logic makes not sense at all. I just wanted to get the best filters I could. I am still upset that Toyota is shortchanging car nuts like me. I would understand if they did the same thing for their JDM cars, but when I see new FJs and 4Runners with the nice 20004 filters, I want to be able to put them on my UZJ100 too.

YMMV.

 

[vcheng]

The inner construction

What is the difference between this filter (15600-41010 I just picked up 10 for $10.85) and 90015-2004?

hattrick '75 fj40/'87 fj60/'93 fzj80 arb,ome 2.5,kaymar,bfg285/75 AT

Hatman: If you do a google search, you will see a Supra page where there are pictures of the inner construction of the 20004 filters, which seems to be better than any other filter out there, including other Toyota filters. I think those picture have been referenced in this thread too.

(I think the link is: http://mkiv.com/techarticles/parts/toyota_filter/ )

 

[elmariachi]

I've posted this before, but you can buy Toyota YZZD3 filters on the internet for only $3.60 per filter including shipping for a case of 10 filters.

I admit my logic makes not sense at all. I just wanted to get the best filters I could. I am still upset that Toyota is shortchanging car nuts like me. YMMV.

How do you figure they are shortchanging you? The 20004 filter was installed on all new vehicles from the factory to remove any production contaminants, but a vehicle doesn't require such intense filtration thereafter because its simple overkill. Why else are the other 99.9% of all oil filters made in the world designed just like current Toyota filters? Regular Toyota filters are more than adequate to properly filter your oil under standard duty conditions if you change the oil every 3000-4000 miles. Sure, I'd like to have the 20004 for $5.00 each and use it each time I change the oil. But your engine life is not going to be any better with 20004s than mine is with the newer filter.

Will the people on this board who have had to rebuild their 1FZ-FE engines because of wear due to improper oil filtration please raise their hands? Hello? Anyone? Helloooooooooooooooooooooooo???

My thinking on this is during the initial oil change of a new engine better filtration is a prudent choice considering the likely hood of more material entering the system during break in.

Absolutely my position too. Paying $16.50 for these filters is as crazy as thinking Toyota has somehow "shortchanged" you. After all the hell Toyota has caught (and paid out in lawsuit settlements over the "sludge" issue) you can bet you a$$ that if the 20004 was such a "better" filter for ongoing filtration during the life of a Toyota, they would offer nothing but the 20004 design in their parts departments and they would not have discontinued it. Further, Toyota eats million of dollars a year in warranty claims on their vehicles. If a simple oil filter were so much better than another, don't you think they'd be mandating it to lessen their losses? Toyota have never once shown me any signs of downgrading the quality of the vehicles or their branded parts. Is the 20004 a better filter? Yes. Is your vehicle going to suffer by using the YZZD3? No.

Just my .02c.

 

[turbocruiser]

Okay, EM, yer prolly totally right, but buddy, chiiillllll a little!

 

[tarbe]

Tarbe, do you believe in synthetic oil? i'll play devil's advocate with you. Why does Toyota use a more expensive filter on its new cars if the better filtering media is unnecessary? Saving $2 or $3 per vehicle is big money.

New engines throw several hundred times as much metal per hour of operation compared to broken-in engines. That might be one reason.

I believe synthetic oil can provide beneficial improvements in cold flow and thermal stability vs traditional refined products.

 

[tarbe]

My thinking on this is during the initial oil change of a new engine better filtration is a prudent choice considering the likely hood of more material entering the system during break in.

Looks like watching "Remember the Titans" cost me the chance to be the first to respond

 

[tarbe]

The 20004 filter was installed on all new vehicles from the factory to remove any production contaminants, but a vehicle doesn't require such intense filtration thereafter because its simple overkill.

X2

You guys are good....


I guess I could save bandwidth if I read all the responses since my last visit, instead of plowing through one at a time

 

[semlin]

you know i think we all agree to a point. i am sure all three of you would pay a little extra for the 20004, you just won't pay $12 extra. I kind of agree, except I would probably pay a little more than you, but not air freight!!

 

[vcheng]

To each his own!

You guys are all correct.

 

[tarbe]

To each his own!

You guys are all correct.

I'll certainly second that.

I would be hard pressed to economically justify my short oil change intervals

I do it 'cause I want to...and it is my money! Well, my wife might argue that last point....

 

[vcheng]

Last Call.

All the guys who PMed me, please reiterate their interest here on the thread now that we have a final price. I do not want to PM everybody individually. If there are no takers, this will be my last post on this thread.

Again: MOT is the best direct source. I obviously now have a lifetime supply of oil filters , but I look forward to getting other cool stuff from him.

 

[jahmaka]

Well since i have a Lc and Supra and just did both oil change no knowing Toyota had change the filters,I will take a case.I am crazy like that.So the final cost is $165 you can me the info you need.