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hoser said:
I had mine done at a Parker store. If you have one close to you, just take your old line there and tell them you want one 2-3 inches longer.
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Parker or any hydraulics store can take care of you. I love going in and looking at all the cool different fittings. anod parts are my weakness
 
Hi guys,

So I have an 05 LX470 and I need to change both front callipers, the pistons are corroded I guess it was repaired before but not a great job, anyway I want to put SS lines Front back and center, I checked Slee but they're out of order, does anyone have experience with that?
Like how long it would be for them to get them in stock???
 
TFMC said:
I found these guys, has anyone bought anything from them?
They mention 2 in stock
cruiserteq.com

Brake Replacement Hose Kit - Fits 2000 - 2007 100/LX470 w/VSC Applications (STF1089)

Brake Replacement Hose - Slee - Fits 2000 - 2007 10x Series/LX 470 (STF1089)
cruiserteq.com cruiserteq.com
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Cruiserteq is Cruiser Outfitters. Reputable source.

My experience with stainless brake lines wasn't a good one but I prefer OEM fitment and quality more than some. I ended up using Toyota parts and reselling my Slee kit at a $60 loss.

 
Why didn't you like it?
All my experiences with SS lines was great, and I plan on towing a camper and put 33's KO2. In the past, I did the tire upgrade (in other vehicles) and the SS lines were a must.
I understand the fitting issue you mentioned on your video however did you end up putting it in?

I mentioned Cruiser teq because they say they have 2 in stock and Slee has 0, otherwise I would go Slee.
 
TFMC said:
Why didn't you like it?
All my experiences with SS lines was great, and I plan on towing a camper and put 33's KO2. In the past, I did the tire upgrade (in other vehicles) and the SS lines were a must.
I understand the fitting issue you mentioned on your video however did you end up putting it in?

I mentioned Cruiser teq because they say they have 2 in stock and Slee has 0, otherwise I would go Slee.
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I installed the two hoses on the rear calipers and then realized that my compromise limit had been met when the retaining clip was excessively tight.

Why do you say that the SS lines were a must?
The video below is an interesting take, but more focused for track vehicles. I get the heavy vehicle and towing considerations but what advantage does a SS line have off-road?

 
Funny you used a video from Savage geese (a youtube channel I usually follow) with a vehicle I'm so familiar with, with a mod I did to it for street/track use and although I agree with that video for the majority of it, if you use the vehicle like the S2000 on a mountain road even within the speed limits (at least in the corners) you'll feel the difference between rubber vs SS, believe me, it makes a difference, obviously you need the entire package (brake lines, pads and if you can afford it disks).

Anyway, I had a Jeep Grand Cherokee and when I mounted 33's KO2's the brake power reduced considerably and then I mounted SS brake lines and it improved the stopping power.
Sure an LC is not a Grand Cherokee but I'm going to tow a trailer so I thought this would be a must for this vehicle as well. Now I'm second-guessing myself!!! hum...

Let see what other people say.
 
Since Clay went to the effort to make a video and explain everything that is wrong with our lines, I would like to add our responses.

Banjo Fitting Location.

The elbow that Toyota uses is not available to our supplier. We have enquired about it and they have checked. This is one of those cases where there has to be some compromises with producing aftermarket parts. If exact OE fitment is important to a customer, we will always suggest that you stick with Toyota OE parts.

Copper Washers

I am not sure I understand exactly what you are referring to. However it is not uncommon for the OE copper crush washer to be deformed and jammed onto the banjo bolt. The washer we supply are correct for the application and 100% serviceable. We provide the washers as a service but if OE spec is important the washers can be substituted with Toyota parts.

18mm Wrench

Again this is similar to the answer on item 1. Also it is not uncommon for aftermarket parts to use fasteners that are not exactly JIS spec.

Tightness of retaining clip.

We install these lines in the shop and we have never found this to be a problem.
 
I just put the slee kit on my 99 LC last night. No complaints with fitment, hose routing, or tight retainer clips. The hoses do route slightly different than OEM but I can't see them being in any real jeopardy of snagging on anything. The clips went on about half was by hand, a light tap with the hammer drove them home without issue. Would 100% recommend the kit.
 
sleeoffroad said:
Since Clay went to the effort to make a video and explain everything that is wrong with our lines, I would like to add our responses.
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"everything that is wrong with our lines" are your words, not mine. I documented my observed deviations from OEM, all of which you agreed existed, and pretty much none of which affect install or even long-term use and identified by HoustonFJ80 and others in other threads.
 
All my metric wrench sets have an 18mm included. I don't see how this is a concern.

TheLCProject said:
I installed the two hoses on the rear calipers and then realized that my compromise limit had been met when the retaining clip was excessively tight.

Why do you say that the SS lines were a must?
The video below is an interesting take, but more focused for track vehicles. I get the heavy vehicle and towing considerations but what advantage does a SS line have off-road?

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Interesting points about how OEM still aren't using stainless lines in pretty much any applications, especially the go-fast cars
 
TheLCProject said:
"everything that is wrong with our lines" are your words, not mine. I documented my observed deviations from OEM, all of which you agreed existed, and pretty much none of which affect install or even long-term use and identified by HoustonFJ80 and others in other threads.
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Hi Clay,

Yes that is my words. The issue is that none of the items you mention in the video we see as an issue or has every been an issue with purchasers except questions on the line routing.

You created a video that is clearly intended to dissuade people from buying the product and you are going to the effort to promote the video any chance you get. This video can and will create a perception about the product. The assumption is that everyone would watch the 6 minute video to see for themselves what the issue is. You are obviously free to do so, but so are we to put our side of the product out there.
 
TFMC asked for feedback about the hoses. I replied.
Replying to a thread bumped by someone else being construed as pushing it at every chance I get isn't true. It's timely.


I'll also add a customer's experience with your product applies beyond the install and getting the vehicle out of the shop and on the road. It applies to long term reliability and ease of use/future maintenance.

Besides the routing, the other deviations from OEM (copper washers, 18mm side, tightness of retaining clip) affect the customer during removal or maintenance and that is part of the story that I felt was worth telling. Many users just report that they went on fine and all was good but they don't follow back up when they have issues down the road, however trivial.
 
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TheLCProject said:
The tool roll that comes with your truck has an 18mm?
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I don’t seem to have any flare nut wrenches, of any size, in the factory tool roll. Nor 22mm wrenches for the top of shock. Nor a 54mm hub socket.

This point seems to really be searching for something to dislike.
 
TheLCProject said:
Besides the routing, the other deviations from OEM (copper washers, 18mm side, tightness of retaining clip) affect the customer during removal or maintenance and that is part of the story that I felt was worth telling. Many users just report that they went on fine and all was good but they don't follow back up when they have issues down the road, however trivial.
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I still fail to see where this would have any long term effects or have anything to do with field servicing, removal or maintenance. There are no line wrenches in the toolkit for properly working with brake lines. If you used the wrenches in the toolkit to undo the flare nut you are most likely going to round it off.

The clip is a tension fit for a reason. One can debate on how much tension is needed, but it not uncommon to have to use some sort of tool to remove those.

As for brass washers, if you are intending to fix brake lines on the trail, then you would need to carry a complete set of brake lines as well as spare banjo washers, possibly spare bolts in case one gets lost, suitable hoses and containers to contain brake fluid when bleeding the brakes. Which kind makes the point about carrying a 18mm wrench a moot point. I am pretty sure the factory tool kit was not designed to replace brake lines on the trail. I would expect most people that would think they are going to do that kind of trail repair would have an adjustable wrench or a Knipex plier that can be used on any size nut.

The only other issue is banjo routing. The compound angles (90* and 45* in one) Toyota uses on the banjo end is extremely application specific. All aftermarket brake line manufactures have more generic options (30*, 45*, 90*, etc) that are used to fit multiple applications (and manufactures). It would never be cost effective to make model and location specific fittings to be direct replacement for the quantity they manufacture.
 
Good points ^^^

In my limited experience, field repair of brake lines usually just involves clamping to keep some pressure in the system and getting to a shop as quickly but as slowly as possible.

I really had to struggle to get the retaining clip back off. 10-25x more force than removing the OEM clip. It sounds like that effort isn't the same across the board or perhaps I'm just a wuss.

I am glad we are having this discussion as it provides additional context to the thread. My video opinion highlighting the differences between these and OEM hoses, should inform others that are unreasonably committed to OEM fitment as I am, to consider another point of view.

@sleeoffroad If there is something in the video that you want to discuss privately, you've got my number and I'm happy to consider making sure it's not too dramatic and accurately informs potential buyers of the tradeoffs associated with aftermarket parts that are applicable to this brake line kit.
 
neoworm said:
Nailed it. lol
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someone had to say it.

@sleeoffroad My SS lines from you guys are top notch. I had no issues with install, routing, tension clips, fitting orientation... but hey, I come from a world of dealing with hydraulic lines in helicopters and test stands... what do I know ;)
 
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