Shoulder Seat Belts
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I am not sure when it was standard for front shoulder belts. I pulled them out of a 76' which had a bench seat.... so I am wondering if anyone has been able to retrofit them to the earlier 55. It would be nice to have stock shoulder belts in my 55, the 60 belts I am currently using are too short. I am trying to avoid having to add webbing or extenders.... thanks for the responses. I guess I should start looking for seats with integrated belts..
that's probably the best option for the long term.. I need an internal cage badly, I don't have a bender but true enough, I could use one...
Thanks for the idea!
Thats my plan for next summer. The headliner is rotting out of my junk and I need to do something up there to keep the roof shapely. Thinking a cage with some crescent moon looking chunks of 1/4" maybe to help be roof support/family protection. The seatbelt situation is abysmal and rather than messing around with trying to fit potentially $$$ junkyard seats with integrated belts (which really limits your options anyway) may as well really beef up personal protection.
The question is, as will all internal cages, how do you install it? Weld it all? Weld some and have bolt in chunks? I've also been thinking about the A-pillar bars, I think I'll have to move my headlight knob because that looks like right where that thing wants to come down...
Has anyone else on here done an internal cage on a full-figured pig? I'm not interested in looking at a near buggy pig (puggy?) with only the front clip remaining...
The question is, as will all internal cages, how do you install it? Weld it all? Weld some and have bolt in chunks? I've also been thinking about the A-pillar bars, I think I'll have to move my headlight knob because that looks like right where that thing wants to come down...
Has anyone else on here done an internal cage on a full-figured pig? I'm not interested in looking at a near buggy pig (puggy?) with only the front clip remaining...
Working with Mark @ Metal Tech on the cage design and most likely it will be a bit of both. Weld chunks that will fit then sleeve and bolt what won't. We are further behind than planned due to the FJ Cruiser and 80 series parts in development. Our 55 market as you all know is limited so the later model cruisers are grabbing more of his time. Plus my 55 is mid-stream desmog and hasn't been on the road in a month.
Brian
Thanks for the update on mark's internal 55 cage... hope it comes around somewhat soon so I can resolve the seatbelt issue, as well as safety in a roll over..
My thought on the internal cage/seatbelt idea is that since you have an enclosed cab with body pillars offering some support, the internal cage would not have to be that extensive. Something minimal would suffice and make it cost effective for us. Not sure what his design is but the minimal amount of tube to do the job would be my preference...
My thought on the internal cage/seatbelt idea is that since you have an enclosed cab with body pillars offering some support, the internal cage would not have to be that extensive. Something minimal would suffice and make it cost effective for us. Not sure what his design is but the minimal amount of tube to do the job would be my preference...
I added 3-point retractable belts on my old Jeepster. I bolted the box to the floor, with a generous backing plate underneath to distribute the load, and mounted the shoulder part on the rollbar. Generic aftermarket ones come with bigass washers and "L" brackets to mount them on the floor like that, or the pillar. Yours should have the holes for the shoulder part on the pillars (?).
Nial, the stock 76' retractor box mounts to the lower part of the pilar in a vertical fashion. I am wondering about finding a way to mount them. I may look at fab'ing a threaded bracket and weld it to the pilar and floor. That would be a lot of work just for using the seatbelts but I think I am destined for a cage. I am not sure if it needs to be or is more advantageous to have an internal or external cage. Internal would allow for mounts to the cage... I could use some tree sliders on the roof line and fenders anyway so may be a good idea to use the stock belts and use an external cage. So no one has put late model shoulder belts into an early 55?
I thought about this too - it sounds like the 60 belts don't run out long enough? Wayne, do you run with the seat all the way back?
I've got the wesco 4 point belt on the rear seat for my kids.
http://wescoperformance.stores.yahoo.net/am4point.html
You use the two factory bolts on either side and then drill one in the back to accommodate the rear. It seems to work well. ty
http://wescoperformance.stores.yahoo.net/am4point.html
You use the two factory bolts on either side and then drill one in the back to accommodate the rear. It seems to work well. ty
I had buckets in my pig.. all the way back. There is not enough material on the 60 series belts to go much further around a size 32 : (
Wayne,
I saw a guy weld a plate to the very bottom of his B pillar in a 70 Pig to mount the retractor.
The Ultimate 55 thread looks like he is using 80 3 pnt belts up front - wonder how that will work.
I am also curious if the 3 pnt belts I got from CCOT for my 40 would be long enough...
Wow, wescoperformance has new 140" belts for $70 each... Kinda makes it hard to justify spending $125 each on restoring at snake oyl...
If you're not going to use your OEM seat belts let me know - I'd be interested in them.
Ming
Ming
Snake Oyl said price per retractor could range $105-$145 and 4 week turn-around time. I like the idea of restoring the factory belts, but it is going to take some time and $$$
FWIW it's well worth the wait. They have two different types of webbing for you to choose from and will "restore" the buckles for a little (make that a lot ) more. They took 2 weeks to inspect the belts and another 3 to refurbish. Only place that I could find that would even touch old seat belts.
Found a set of front 76 pig retractable seat belts............thinking 
no problem to mount them on the 69......... just slip in some 10M steel rivnuts with a backing plate to the bottom of the "B" pillar........HA!, the original hex head bolts that I got with this set are a bastard size 11M; fine thread at that
.......no such an animal exists in rivnuts
..........would like to go with original hex head bolts
............question I have for mounting.........drive back 100 miles to where I scavenged the belts and cut out the lower "B" pillars and weld them in along with the 11M nuts or just go with rivnuts; backing plate and 10 MM hex head SS screws; not original but would work..........are the floor mounts also 11m? TIA
Lou
no problem to mount them on the 69......... just slip in some 10M steel rivnuts with a backing plate to the bottom of the "B" pillar........HA!, the original hex head bolts that I got with this set are a bastard size 11M; fine thread at that.......no such an animal exists in rivnuts..........would like to go with original hex head bolts............question I have for mounting.........drive back 100 miles to where I scavenged the belts and cut out the lower "B" pillars and weld them in along with the 11M nuts or just go with rivnuts; backing plate and 10 MM hex head SS screws; not original but would work..........are the floor mounts also 11m? TIALou
3 point retractables from a 76 into an early pig
OK.....follow up...installed the 3 point retractables our of Pete Ms 76 rolled pig.....a bit of ghetto rigging and they look awfull but after i kroil oiled them they work beautifully
.............snapping into lock position with sudden movements but when you let them out gently they will extend completely
, they are boxed now and ready to send to Ssnake-Oyl in the morning.......
picture A.....lower DS B pillar
Picture B....3-16ths cold rolled steel plate for backing
picture C....steel plate cutter
OK.....follow up...installed the 3 point retractables our of Pete Ms 76 rolled pig.....a bit of ghetto rigging and they look awfull but after i kroil oiled them they work beautifully
.............snapping into lock position with sudden movements but when you let them out gently they will extend completely, they are boxed now and ready to send to Ssnake-Oyl in the morning.......picture A.....lower DS B pillar
Picture B....3-16ths cold rolled steel plate for backing
picture C....steel plate cutter