Scepter Fuel Cans in CARB states
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Are the CARB can identical to the non-CARB cans?
The spouts are different. The CARB spouts are supposed to have an anti spill feature.
On the s***z can, the spout was fine. The seal around the can, regardless of how I threaded it, leaked horribly. I don't know if the can itself is the same or not, but they look the same.
On the s***z can, the spout was fine. The seal around the can, regardless of how I threaded it, leaked horribly. I don't know if the can itself is the same or not, but they look the same.
Not just the Carb Schitz [sic] can. I have an old, non-Carb Blitz can and it has always leaked when pouring. I have two different spouts. One is the screw-in type, the other the compresson type. Both leak.
The high side? I love my steel NATO cans. I don't think they are Wedco, but they pour faster with almost no spill.
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The septer spout empties the 5 gal can under 45 seconds. The unleaded spout empties under 1:40.
fj80toyman
...One Landcruiser at a time
They make one:
So, the compliance issue must be bigger than the spout.
Is part of the issue the vent on the top of the can? If it has a vent separate from the spout, it doesn't matter if it has a CARB spout, it's still out of compliance I think.
In other words, even if they added a CARB spout, the can couldn't have the vent to be sold legally. Most CARB compliant cans leak, spill, drip and mostly SUCK.
I can't find anything in Ca. worth having. I bought a steel can that looked like a blitz that had a really nice metal cap and internal spout, along with a metal-capped vent.
I bought it at Tera-Flex in Salt Lake (the old Mepco). A J**P store gave me a TLCA discount!
Dan.
The whole Scepter thing can be confusing at best. Here's what I gathered from talking to the guys as Scepter. CARB is going national. There are a dozen states that have laws similar to the Cali formula in place now. California, Texas, and most of the eastern seaboard. And there will be similar federal laws in place by 1/1/09. Keeping track of who could sell what to whom and when was really getting in the way of business.
Secondly, it wasn't just the spout. The spout that Trunk Monkey displayed was OK. There are requirements as to the chemical make up of the plastic the cans are made of. Apparently flimsy thin wall plastic is better. I don't get that part. Anyway, to comply to the law Scepter would have to change the recipe of the plastic used in the MFCs. That recipe doesn't work in their molds. They would have to completely retool to get into compliance. The civilian market is such a small part of the MFC sales that the retool was not cost effective. Colored cans halted production in May '07 and sold until out. The Olive Drab ones are still bing made, but not sold to civilian distributors as of 12/31/07. They also halted sales of spare parts, so hord while you can.
Oh, and then there is the DOD Jag issue. Not sure what's up these. Lips were pretty tight, but Jag was looking up everyone's juxey for a while too.
Scepter does make a close to Jerry can version that is CARB compliant. Thin as the other ones, and no where near the can the MFC is. It's wider at the base and doesn't fit very well in a traditional jerry can holder. More of the Home depot plastic can variety.
Hope that helps.
Secondly, it wasn't just the spout. The spout that Trunk Monkey displayed was OK. There are requirements as to the chemical make up of the plastic the cans are made of. Apparently flimsy thin wall plastic is better. I don't get that part. Anyway, to comply to the law Scepter would have to change the recipe of the plastic used in the MFCs. That recipe doesn't work in their molds. They would have to completely retool to get into compliance. The civilian market is such a small part of the MFC sales that the retool was not cost effective. Colored cans halted production in May '07 and sold until out. The Olive Drab ones are still bing made, but not sold to civilian distributors as of 12/31/07. They also halted sales of spare parts, so hord while you can.
Oh, and then there is the DOD Jag issue. Not sure what's up these. Lips were pretty tight, but Jag was looking up everyone's juxey for a while too.
Scepter does make a close to Jerry can version that is CARB compliant. Thin as the other ones, and no where near the can the MFC is. It's wider at the base and doesn't fit very well in a traditional jerry can holder. More of the Home depot plastic can variety.
Hope that helps.
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Paul,
Thanks for the update on Scepter MFC products in the USA. I believe the Scepter MFCs are and will still be available for civilian purchase in Canada since Canada does not follow CARB.
With regards to the CARB compliance, the portable fuel container has to meet these requirements
1. Single opening
2. Self venting
3. Auto shut off spout
4. Auto close spout
5. Low permeation wall
Scepter MFC meets all these CARB requirements except for #2 and maybe #5. For #5, if the walls of the MFC are not low permeation, then Scepter will have to change the plastic formulation of the MFCs. For #2, the design of the cans follow the traditional jerry can, with a built-in air vent to prevent splashing and increase flow rate. See the small hole in the wall of the opening thread and the vent tube beneath it
The design of the spout leaves the air vent open, allowing air to enter the air tube to increase the flow rate and prevent splashing. See under side of the spout.
Notice that there are no O-rings in the spount and the 5 holes allow air to enter the vent hole. This is in direct violation of #2 requirement above, where CARB spouts must have an internal vent inside the spout, allowing the air to exchange between the portable fuel container and the vehicle fuel tank.
Its interesting to note that Canadian companies are still selling the MFC in Canada without restriction and can sell MFC parts to the US.
Thanks for the update on Scepter MFC products in the USA. I believe the Scepter MFCs are and will still be available for civilian purchase in Canada since Canada does not follow CARB.
With regards to the CARB compliance, the portable fuel container has to meet these requirements
1. Single opening
2. Self venting
3. Auto shut off spout
4. Auto close spout
5. Low permeation wall
Scepter MFC meets all these CARB requirements except for #2 and maybe #5. For #5, if the walls of the MFC are not low permeation, then Scepter will have to change the plastic formulation of the MFCs. For #2, the design of the cans follow the traditional jerry can, with a built-in air vent to prevent splashing and increase flow rate. See the small hole in the wall of the opening thread and the vent tube beneath it
The design of the spout leaves the air vent open, allowing air to enter the air tube to increase the flow rate and prevent splashing. See under side of the spout.
Notice that there are no O-rings in the spount and the 5 holes allow air to enter the vent hole. This is in direct violation of #2 requirement above, where CARB spouts must have an internal vent inside the spout, allowing the air to exchange between the portable fuel container and the vehicle fuel tank.
Its interesting to note that Canadian companies are still selling the MFC in Canada without restriction and can sell MFC parts to the US.
Let us know if you receive them. I tried to order replacement gaskets from BQM a few months ago and they would not sell them to me, only to military and law enforcement.
I didn't see where you question was answered. Sorry if it was and I missed it.
The Non-Carb Blitz cans have a hole in the flat area around the threaded part of the can. This allows the can to draw air as the fuel is depleted. The pour spout uses a smaller gasket and allows this hole to be open when fueling. The CARB cans do not have this hole and they get air from the internal channel in the spout. When the cap is installed, the hole is covered with the larger gasket on the cap.
Damn...I wrote too soon. I received a voicemail this afternoon informing me my order was cancelled (the weekend sales order staff was underinformed I suppose). As you mentioned they'll only sell these to military/LE.
I do wish I had ordered the spouts back when I ordered the cans.
I phoned in a order back in January or February and missed the cut-off date by a few weeks. Sooner or later procrastination gets ya.
DS Tactical in Canada (https://dstactical.com/) will sell and ship to US address, at least from some of the stuff I've read elsewhere. Haven't tried them out yet.
I order mine about 3 or 4 months ago and while putting the order online.. I did not put the state and only the zip code.. they arrived no problem... 2 5g cans 1 5g water and one spout for the fuel cans....
Tried ordering thru Brigade QuarterMaster and of course the order was cancelled. I must have recieved my others before the cut off in Feb.
Ordered from DS Tactical, I'll let you know when and if I get them.
Thanks guys for the lead.
https://dstactical.com/index.php?cPath=226_227
GO here . DS id out of BC.. I got three shipped to me in Cali during the summer.. Great guys to deal with.
We found this place on the Blue forum and they sold out and had to reorder.. shipping is kind of pricey though.. But they do have what you want..
Last I heard BQ will not sell Secpter Cans to Civilians..
GO here . DS id out of BC.. I got three shipped to me in Cali during the summer.. Great guys to deal with.
We found this place on the Blue forum and they sold out and had to reorder.. shipping is kind of pricey though.. But they do have what you want..
Last I heard BQ will not sell Secpter Cans to Civilians..
Can these be carried inside the cruiser without gettting the gas smell . After Ike , I want to buy 2-3 cans and keep in handy but also want to carry them with me as well but do not have external jerry can carrier yet.
Any thoughts..
Any thoughts..