clarkrw3 said:
Yep
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The rocky trail looked like FUN! I'm not too sure a "typical" lifted 80 would have made it through without getting hung up somewhere (diff/sliders, etc) though the added ground clearance would help. Nice pictures!
Tapage said:I have one idea .. someone with Slee 6" kit doing the same trail ..
Why?
TiredIron, that video was hilarious - thought the title was going to "DENIED" until you got your chance 
Dave, not to continue to come off as the designated nay-sayer but from the pics you posted it doesn't appear that you were ever in enough rocks to be up on your sliders. I guess when I mean "rock garden" and hanging up on everything under the truck I mean that even with the 6" springs plus the 1.5" spacers plus running 37" tires you are still scraping the bottoms and sides of the sliders, dragging one or both differentials, hanging up on the bottom edges of both front control arms, scraping the xfer case skid, forcefully whacking both rear lower control arms and most likely the rear lower shock mounts and finally exiting with a series of tail end whacks.
Those pics are nice and the set up looks to perform great for that but I still think there are a lot of trails out there that 80's are going on that would not be friendly to it. Several of the shelfs and steps trails at Moab would be interesting. I can't even go into what I think Tellico or some of those trails would do.
Dave, not to continue to come off as the designated nay-sayer but from the pics you posted it doesn't appear that you were ever in enough rocks to be up on your sliders. I guess when I mean "rock garden" and hanging up on everything under the truck I mean that even with the 6" springs plus the 1.5" spacers plus running 37" tires you are still scraping the bottoms and sides of the sliders, dragging one or both differentials, hanging up on the bottom edges of both front control arms, scraping the xfer case skid, forcefully whacking both rear lower control arms and most likely the rear lower shock mounts and finally exiting with a series of tail end whacks.
Those pics are nice and the set up looks to perform great for that but I still think there are a lot of trails out there that 80's are going on that would not be friendly to it. Several of the shelfs and steps trails at Moab would be interesting. I can't even go into what I think Tellico or some of those trails would do.
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clownmidget said:
ROCKS (slabs) LOOKED LIKE ROCKS TO ME! NEXT time we will paint them PINK FOR YA!
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Clown, z80:
Step one: Reread first post, fourth paragraph.
Step two: See attached pic of 4Runini in first post showing the rocks referenced in Step One
Step three: Wonder why you wrote your questions when the photo and pics were posted already.
Dave
Step one: Reread first post, fourth paragraph.
Step two: See attached pic of 4Runini in first post showing the rocks referenced in Step One
Step three: Wonder why you wrote your questions when the photo and pics were posted already.
Dave
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Pretty much as figured. Can't see those danglie bits holding up on anything serious where we wheel for sure.
Have had my beater 80 on some of the toughest trails are Paragon, and with only J springs +20mm packers, had little to no issues. I'm not a believe in the slee 6" kit, so can't comment on that too much.
I'd love to see someone take the danglie kit to PAP. LOL, I could pick up the pieces and ebay them as I cruise through in my mostly stock 28 year old 45. Yeehaa.
YES. Apparently you need to so we can see them. May want to crap then enlarge the pics tooyellowchaosfj80 said:ROCKS (slabs) LOOKED LIKE ROCKS TO ME! NEXT time we will paint them PINK FOR YA!
-Spike- said:
I read, but some want to compare apples with oranges.
The 6-inch Slee lift is made for one wheeling type (more aggressive) and is a royal pain in the ass to install. It makes many of the stock components non-stock any longer which ISN'T a good thing. I have the same setup on my Lexus (except for springs) and WISH I DID NOT. IT's been a learning experience.
The drop setup tested on this thread is designed for a different driver...AND THAT'S OK.
Arguing about "my lift is better than your lift" is rediculous. People have different needs and wants.
Take a 100....you can only lift it 3-inches. Does this mean it sucks or it's not capable? If you say yes, you're in fairy tale land (or just ignorant about the 100...and that's OK). I luv the people talking about their 80's with 6-inch lifts and comparing them to another 80 or a 100 with only 3-inches lift. Of course there's advantages to those extra inches. SO WHAT?
Let's be open minded about this topic?
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Huh? Unbolt, then bolt on the new parts. How is that a pita to install? Also, you do not have the 6" lift, you have some of the parts of the 4" lift. You also bought the DIY pieces, so they are DIY. The caster plates are more complicated than the control arms that is supplied with the 6" lift.
Also, it is made to clear a certain size tires, what you do with the truck is up to you. It was never made for just one sort of wheeling. We have lots of customers that drive the trucks long distrance with the kit on it. Yes, 6" is taller than 4" and if you are going to do 90% highway but want to play hard, then the 4" kit is better.
What I do not understand is why you wish you did not do it. You decided to buy what you thought you needed and not what we suggested. So yes, I can see the learning experience, but I can not see where that is the problem of the kit.
Trying to be
ShottsUZJ100 said:I read, but some want to compare apples with oranges.
The 6-inch Slee lift is made for one wheeling type (more aggressive) and is a royal pain in the ass to install.
Huh? Unbolt, then bolt on the new parts. How is that a pita to install? Also, you do not have the 6" lift, you have some of the parts of the 4" lift. You also bought the DIY pieces, so they are DIY. The caster plates are more complicated than the control arms that is supplied with the 6" lift.
Also, it is made to clear a certain size tires, what you do with the truck is up to you. It was never made for just one sort of wheeling. We have lots of customers that drive the trucks long distrance with the kit on it. Yes, 6" is taller than 4" and if you are going to do 90% highway but want to play hard, then the 4" kit is better.
How are you going to lift the truck if you don't change the stock parts? Not sure I follow this one.
What I do not understand is why you wish you did not do it. You decided to buy what you thought you needed and not what we suggested. So yes, I can see the learning experience, but I can not see where that is the problem of the kit.
Let's be open minded about this topic?
Trying to be
sleeoffroad said:[]Thread hijaak in progress]
Huh? Unbolt, then bolt on the new parts. How is that a pita to install? Also, you do not have the 6" lift, you have some of the parts of the 4" lift. You also bought the DIY pieces, so they are DIY. The caster plates are more complicated than the control arms that is supplied with the 6" lift.
Also, it is made to clear a certain size tires, what you do with the truck is up to you. It was never made for just one sort of wheeling. We have lots of customers that drive the trucks long distrance with the kit on it. Yes, 6" is taller than 4" and if you are going to do 90% highway but want to play hard, then the 4" kit is better.
How are you going to lift the truck if you don't change the stock parts? Not sure I follow this one.
What I do not understand is why you wish you did not do it. You decided to buy what you thought you needed and not what we suggested. So yes, I can see the learning experience, but I can not see where that is the problem of the kit.
Trying to be
I'll simplify...my mistake was NOT YOURS...it was mine. Because it worked on my friends Lexus (J-Springs) I thought I'd add them instead of 850/863.
My '93 was 850/863 with trim packs 15/20mm. I thought a J-spring would raise it to here and I'd be done. It worked for my buddy.
It did not work for me. Vibration galore. So, piece by piece my stock 80 got turned into a welded together mess IMO. My '93 went everywhere my buddies go with your 5-inch (Walt). My bumpers help.
My point is that I have numberous stock components that now have weld-ins, brackets (caster) blah blah. I believe the truck is better with the stock parts FOR WHAT I DO. That won't work for Spike or Junk or whomever and THAT'S FINE. It will work for me and the bracket drop MAF lift will work for others. Cutting it down is assnine IMO.
ShottsUZJ100 said:
Uhm, Walt has the same pieces on his truck. The welded parts should not be a mess, unless your welder could not do a proper job. Both eyelets on each panhard rod and control arm are welded by Toyota. Have you looked at some of those welds. Not pretty. So installing the adjuster and welding it in should not effect the stregth of the rod.
Yes, it is an adjuster it adds complexity, but not necessarily a weakness.
As for vibrations, you should not have any when it is dialed in. Not sure if you guys got it right.
Ohh, this is getting good.....
Pictures of rear upper arms with adjuster welded in that we had tested. Dial shows the failure force. The part that actually failed was the Toyota tube and not the adjuster or weld.
sleeoffroad said:
I agree! I agree! I'm a bad writer at getting my point out.
Yes...yes...my truck will work fine. My welder is great. Never any breakage. But now I have arms with stock welds and NEW welds. I have different drive shaft(s). Caster plates....blah blah. I didn't want all that.
All I'm saying is I wanted about 4-inches lift. I had it in the '93 and without all that stuff. I think the more you alter the truck the more risk you run.
For Spike, and the other aggressers doing all that is worth every penny and item alteration. That's great. It's their truck.
Dogging the MAF lift is like saying the UZJ100 is a POC. You do that you reveal bias or ignorance and it serves no purpose. Personally the MAF kit is not for me, but neither is the Slee 6". The 100's not everybodies first choice...but it's mine.
Shotts, i get what you are saying and mostly agree with you. Seems like lots of folks on this board like to rip someone a new one rather than offer CONSTRUCTIVE critisism.
Christo, i don't believe he is bashing your product at all. For Shotts, the drop brackets from MAF will work fine for the type of wheeling he does. Shotts probably just is interested in enhancing the allready very capable abilities of his rig and not trying to climb rocks like a goat.
As for Christo's 6 inch lift, i think it should be noted that it's not just "his" lift that turned shott's rig into a welded together mess. It's just like any other lift, hell the 2.5 OME lift is no different. If you try to cut corners and not do it ALL the first time, have a competent professional guide or do the work then things get interesting. Anyone who installs parts of a lift to try to save on money is asking for trouble; and at the same time the supplier get's the brunt of the frustration.
I have the 2.5 lift and tried to do it cheap and cut corners. ISSUES!! So, i got all the parts i needed in the first place and did it right, now it's fine.
Christo, i don't believe he is bashing your product at all. For Shotts, the drop brackets from MAF will work fine for the type of wheeling he does. Shotts probably just is interested in enhancing the allready very capable abilities of his rig and not trying to climb rocks like a goat.
As for Christo's 6 inch lift, i think it should be noted that it's not just "his" lift that turned shott's rig into a welded together mess. It's just like any other lift, hell the 2.5 OME lift is no different. If you try to cut corners and not do it ALL the first time, have a competent professional guide or do the work then things get interesting. Anyone who installs parts of a lift to try to save on money is asking for trouble; and at the same time the supplier get's the brunt of the frustration.
I have the 2.5 lift and tried to do it cheap and cut corners. ISSUES!! So, i got all the parts i needed in the first place and did it right, now it's fine.
ShottsUZJ100 said:
Yes, but would still like to know what it is a pita to install?
What is wrong with that?
WIth .120 wall thickness that is about twice as thick as stock.
What is wrong with that?
No but you wanted a truck that drove well on the road. If you did not want it to drive nice, why not just do the same as the 93?
Why?
Never did that. I do agree different strokes for different folks. However for some people a 100 is a POS, and they can say so if they want.
I don't think it is either. I think people express their opinions on the experience they have. Some have more than others. In my experience if I have a truck with those brackets on it, it will hang up on the places I go (not talking ShortBus here, but when I still wheeled a full bodies 80 series).
I am not debating the driveability since I have never driven than kit.
Personally the MAF kit is not for me, but neither is the Slee 6". The 100's not everybodies first choice...but it's mine.
True, but you also have to agree that for some people it is not.