ROCK PICS: 4WD Toyota Owner/Man-A-Fre drop bracket kit

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sleeoffroad said:
What is in that kit? Also, as Rick mentioned, get the alignment specs and see what it is. Just because it doesn't vibrate doesn't mean it is right. As he mentioned, we try get all trucks back to factory specs. There are a number of variables involved and one can not always do it. Ricks caster plates are pretty slick, but for most people that buy from us those might be a little above their ability to bolt on. That is also the reason we will not install a basic OME 2.5 lift without caster bushings. Some say you do not need them, but the fact is if you raise the vehicles, the caster changes, so it has to be addressed.

Installing J's without addressing the panhards casues misallignment of the axles. Again, we will not do it without addressing it. Individuals chose to ignore this. Ask anyone with a truck lifted with minimal components to drive it, and immediately get back in a stock truck and give you their opinion. Only then will they realise the compromises they have made.

I agree with the rear panhard drop bracket from MAF, but even with that you might still need adjustment. I do not however agree with the front panhard drop. With a dropped pirman arm, yes, or with the steering arm on the otherside lifted yes, but not on it's own.



Agree with you on this. We never advocate using stiff springs just to get extra height. Use the springs for the load they were designed for.



We do not have to drag the 100 into this. :D
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OK, not rushed any more (was last night). I think I can write properly. :D

Here's what I mean (feel) by my LX's lift negativity:

I got almost 4-inches in my '93 and at a low cost and it has worked GREAT.

I got 4-4.5 inches lift in the LX though at a FAR higher cost and with FAR more labor and part modifications.

For the added .5-.75" lift the LX has over the '93, it was a rip-off to ME. Not worth it. A PITA. Am I happy now that's it's done? YOU BET! I'd NEVER do it again though.

That's all.
 
Tapage said:
in order to have a good comparision between both, suspension flex pints and places where they hit the rocks ..
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But not everyone lifts a vehicle so they can "wheel in the rocks". 2 different lifts for two different applications. :)
 
sleeoffroad said:
I would like to see the caster spec on this truck if it really got 4" lift over stock. Also, measure your axles in relation to the frame and tell me if it is centered?
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You'll probably get it. It's retired and will get a thorough re-build before handing the keys over. An alignment's included. The last three trips wooped it's ass. :D

I found my last alignment work order on the '93. It was done 11/11/04 though I don't have the spec sheet with it. :confused: Toyota said it just made into spec again. I just don't remember. I'll get you the number when it gets redone.
 
sleeoffroad said:
I would like to see the caster spec on this truck if it really got 4" lift over stock. Also, measure your axles in relation to the frame and tell me if it is centered?
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Oh, the rear is + 3 7/8"
The front is +3.5"
 
landtank said:
Sorry for what?


BTW, just because your caster is within spec it doesn't mean that the pinion angle is exceptable for not having a vibration problem. Two separate but tied together pieces of the puzzle.
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Did I not write that the '93 has no vibration? :)
 
sleeoffroad said:
What is in that kit?
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Was just thinking. (Scary, huh?)

Last night I think you were under the impression that I was NOT happy with your gear or your service relating to the LX? Today I cleared that up. I thought I'd point out one thing to others though regarding your advice:

YOU were the person who SAVED my LX buildup from failure. I called with an order for all the gear including the big lift AND front and rear bumpers...to bling the thing out like my 100.

You told me that would have been a big mistake for ME. You were CORRECT! If I'd a loaded up that Lexus I never could have driven the same obstacles I do in my cut and special '93. What was I thinking? I'd a been REALLY unhappy.

So, thanks for not filling those expensive bumper orders I gave you! :) :D

I just got the upper rear arm adjusts from UPS. Vibration goes bye bye Thursday. 4.88's and ARB's go in this weekend. THEN DONE! THANKS!
 
landtank said:
Yes you did, so what are you sorry for?
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Oh....you wrote:

"Shotts, put all those trucks in your examples on an alignment rack. Regardless of how they vibrate if they are not within the factory caster spec then they are not a sucessful lift."

I thought you were saying my lift(s) were't sucessful...but they are. :)
 
ShottsUZJ100 said:
Oh....you wrote:

"Shotts, put all those trucks in your examples on an alignment rack. Regardless of how they vibrate if they are not within the factory caster spec then they are not a sucessful lift."

I thought you were saying my lift(s) were't sucessful...but they are. :)
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And since you'll ask for clarity...I'll clarify:

Define sucessful? You're question to me sounds strong and condecending. What's sucessful to one person may not be to another.

If someone build's a truck and it works perfectly for them, though a caster spec is outside of range, YOU say it's unsucessful. Do you REALLY mean that? You're a good man. You can't. :confused:
 
This is no where close to what this thread began as, and is just reinforcing your pink panties.

Look around at your pansy waste posts here and on the other thread regarding MAFs brackets.

All of your whiney ass questions and comments have been beaten to death before. You want the bracketed 80 in the "rock garden" you would like to see it in? Put the brackets on yourself and test the F&$@ing things! Ask MAF for a return option-they may so oblige... Asking the world from one individual with one truck after one thread is f&$@ing ridiculous. Ask Steve-O to post pics. Amazing how idiotic this has become.

Thanks for following up though Dave.

To add to the original reason for the post and to leave Slee out of it (why was he drug into this with his 6"/4" kit ease of install???????) we took a great trip along the Mexican Border from Yuma, AZ to Ajo, AZ across the Barry M. Goldwater Military Range, Organ Pipe National Monument, etc., etc. this weekend. Nothing of difficulty-though it was desert sands, metamorphic rock, and lava rock at 50 to 60 mph.

Had my bro's 96 80 with 864 rears and OME 2.5" mediums up front-caster bushings, as well as Durango60s new 97 SC 80 with 864s and J fronts with the MAF front control arm drop brackets. For such wheeling, I could not have asked the 97 80 to perform better with the caster correction of the MAF brackets. The 96 80s bushings performed, albeit, similar-but in conclusion I will eat my words on caster-I appreciated the brackets and bushings existence. Our biggest problem was rubbing from the front tires on the fender well.

For said type of expedition off-road adventure-MAF brackets worked well (front control arm drops at least)-would these go on my almost trailer queen 80, ppbly not, for already beaten reasons-but we had no issues on this trip and they are more than strong enough for such an endeavor.
 
fj803fe said:
This is no where close to what this thread began as, and is just reinforcing your pink panties.

Look around at your pansy waste posts here and on the other thread regarding MAFs brackets.

All of your whiney ass questions and comments have been beaten to death before. You want the bracketed 80 in the "rock garden" you would like to see it in? Put the brackets on yourself and test the F&$@ing things! Ask MAF for a return option-they may so oblige... Asking the world from one individual with one truck after one thread is f&$@ing ridiculous. Ask Steve-O to post pics. Amazing how idiotic this has become.

Thanks for following up though Dave.

To add to the original reason for the post and to leave Slee out of it (why was he drug into this with his 6"/4" kit ease of install???????) we took a great trip along the Mexican Border from Yuma, AZ to Ajo, AZ across the Barry M. Goldwater Military Range, Organ Pipe National Monument, etc., etc. this weekend. Nothing of difficulty-though it was desert sands, metamorphic rock, and lava rock at 50 to 60 mph.

Had my bro's 96 80 with 864 rears and OME 2.5" mediums up front-caster bushings, as well as Durango60s new 97 SC 80 with 864s and J fronts with the MAF front control arm drop brackets. For such wheeling, I could not have asked the 97 80 to perform better with the caster correction of the MAF brackets. The 96 80s bushings performed, albeit, similar-but in conclusion I will eat my words on caster-I appreciated the brackets and bushings existence. Our biggest problem was rubbing from the front tires on the fender well.

For said type of expedition off-road adventure-MAF brackets worked well (front control arm drops at least)-would these go on my almost trailer queen 80, ppbly not, for already beaten reasons-but we had no issues on this trip and they are more than strong enough for such an endeavor.
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Though I'm not sure who he's writing too ( :confused: ) that's another good example of why one lift or mod or truck isn't always the BEST. :)
 
errr...
another thread down for the count...
:)
 
Time to make more samwiches though ............... :cool:




*tapping fingers .....*





Resume - :bounce: :bounce2:




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ShottsUZJ100 said:
And since you'll ask for clarity...I'll clarify:

Define sucessful? You're question to me sounds strong and condecending. What's sucessful to one person may not be to another.

If someone build's a truck and it works perfectly for them, though a caster spec is outside of range, YOU say it's unsucessful. Do you REALLY mean that? You're a good man. You can't. :confused:
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A succesfully lifted truck will track straight, doesn't exhibit any driveline vibrations and has it's alignment specs within factory tolerances.

Anything short of that and the trucks drivability is compromised to the degree of the error.

And that wasn't a question it was a statement, point of view or whatever you want to call it and I don't see how you thought it was condecending.
 
fj803fe said:
This is no where close to what this thread began as, and is just reinforcing your pink panties.

Look around at your pansy waste posts here and on the other thread regarding MAFs brackets.

All of your whiney ass questions and comments have been beaten to death before. You want the bracketed 80 in the "rock garden" you would like to see it in? Put the brackets on yourself and test the F&$@ing things! Ask MAF for a return option-they may so oblige... Asking the world from one individual with one truck after one thread is f&$@ing ridiculous. Ask Steve-O to post pics. Amazing how idiotic this has become..
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Da yup. Glad your post cleared everything up. :rolleyes:

Yet another reason why cloning is a bad idea.
 
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