Ran a carfax on my new 80

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Beowulf said:
Now if you want to talk about injustice and a bunch of crooks taking money from the naive public then let's hi-jack this thread and I'll tell you about the $1,500 or so that I "lost" (never stood a chance, actually) to the legalized bandits in Las Vegas last weekend. :crybaby:

And if anyone wants to crusade for me, I'll give you all the details. :D
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Isn't there a story about a fool and his money soon parted.......... :flipoff2:
 
I resemble that remark. :flipoff2:

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Beowulf said:
I resemble that remark. :flipoff2:

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Damn - I could have had a lift and snorkle - I sure hope those cocktail waitresess were good looking and ....... well......... (:whoops: not scout friendly thought occuring right now).
 
Brentbba said:
Damn - I could have had a lift and snorkle
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Tell me about it. Is there something called gambler's remorse? :rolleyes:

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Thread hijack now in full progress.

Vegas holds NO interest for me. See my statement in post #61. Of course I spend that much every two months playing golf. Different strokes for different folks....now where was that bad pun thread?
 
Beowulf said:
Now if you want to talk about injustice and a bunch of crooks taking money from the naive public then let's hi-jack this thread and I'll tell you about the $1,500 or so that I "lost" (never stood a chance, actually) to the legalized bandits in Las Vegas last weekend. :crybaby:

And if anyone wants to crusade for me, I'll give you all the details. :D
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I must say I am shocked.:eek:

I would have thought you would have a foolproof way to beat the house.:D
 
i know i know...i made the mistake of not paying attention to the speedometer but he had two other guys with money and i wanted to jump on the deal....i guess some things are too good to be true.

Well a lil' update for you non-hijackers! I called the guy yesterday and we talked and he was going to call me to let me know when i can come by and get my money and drop off the truck...well i never heard back from him yesterday and i still haven't heard from him this morning. I still have the truck and he still has my grand. My wife is actually driving it this morning and dropping off the kids to daycare. I can't keep her out of the thing.

On thing this has taught me is....DAMN THESE 80's ARE SAWEET! i have been a 60's kinda person for several years and never thought i would ever get one but they are so freaking comfortable. This is going to sound stupid but the best part is the lat support on the drivers seat. Its like climbing into a cockpit of a plan.

Well i'll keep ya'll posted once again.
 
BigSur said:
i know i know...i made the mistake of not paying attention to the speedometer but he had two other guys with money and i wanted to jump on the deal....i guess some things are too good to be true.

Well a lil' update for you non-hijackers! I called the guy yesterday and we talked and he was going to call me to let me know when i can come by and get my money and drop off the truck...well i never heard back from him yesterday and i still haven't heard from him this morning. I still have the truck and he still has my grand. My wife is actually driving it this morning and dropping off the kids to daycare. I can't keep her out of the thing.

On thing this has taught me is....DAMN THESE 80's ARE SAWEET! i have been a 60's kinda person for several years and never thought i would ever get one but they are so freaking comfortable. This is going to sound stupid but the best part is the lat support on the drivers seat. Its like climbing into a cockpit of a plan.

Well i'll keep ya'll posted once again.
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You check out the ebay listings? One in Dallas ending soon.
 
Doesn't Carfax have a statement on their report allowing you to report discrepancies? I would take the vehicle back (assuming he contacts you), get your $1,000 cash, and then report the odometer discrepancy to Carfax and be done with it. Hopefully, the next person will investigate it more thoroughly. If he doesn't contact you, drive it till the wheels fall off.:cheers:
 
Wow, lots of advice here, much of it conflicting and confusing.

The authority to report these bozos to is the Texas Dept of Transportation, the division that regulates auto dealers.

Yes, cars 10 years of age and older are exempt from odometer readings upon transfer, but if the odo has been set back or tampered with, that is still illegal, even on older cars. TX DOT wants to hear from you about this. File the complaint.

Either your seller "is" the mom and pop dealer (a call to the "owner" of record (on the title) will help you determine if this is the case), or he bought it from the mom and pop dealer, or he's acting as their agent.

If the mom and pop dealer is a registered dealer, they may have broken Texas law by "passing the pink" to this guy you're dealing with. If he's their agent, both the dealer and he are in violation. The Texas DOT would most definitely like to hear about this, I assure you. They are also the authority who would like to hear about unlicensed dealer activity, which may be the case here.

You should call the PO again, ask for a physical description of the person they sold the truck to, and try to find out if it was a licensed car dealer. If it was your seller, he's in violation, because it's illegal for a licensed car dealer to sell, or offer for sale, a vehicle away from his licensed place of business.

If he is not the same person as your seller, they may be working together to sell off the dealers high-mileage units to unsuspecting folks. I've seen WAY too much of this crap in my lifetime, and I'll guarantee this not the first vehicle he's sold this way.

There's more here than meets the eye. Follow the directions on the Texas DOT voice mail and get the complaint form and fill it out.

The cops and AG will not care about this. TX DOT will.
 
Well an update...i took the truck back yesterday and got my $$ back. The guy who was selling for a friend said he already had someone overseas wanting to buy it for $300 more then was i was going to pay and he was going to have it shipped over. Once again...i call BS. He also said that it was listed on Ebay as of Sunday evening but i couldn't find it...again BS. I think that guy was trying to get me off there trail of the car and he just said those things. I have washed my hands of this car but it doesn't mean i still won't report them. I have copies of everything, pictures, and saved messages.

Thanks everyone for your support and advice and thanks for not bashing a 80 newbie for a rookie mistake. Lesson learned and i am not out anything is a good thing.

Jason
 
BigSur said:
said he already had someone overseas wanting to buy it for $300 more then was i was going to pay and he was going to have it shipped over.
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Hmmm, sounds familiar...

Bet the guy / girl, with two first names like, Eric Todd or Jack Michael, writes in very broken English or calls through an untraceable operator for the hearing impaired and is going to pay him with a cashier's check made for about $3,000 more than the asking price so he can cash it and send the extra to the "shipping company" so the can come by and pick it up.

Hope it all works out for him...:D
 
Glad it worked OK

Now get up off the couch and find yourself an 80!
 
Nice looking one (looked good from my monitor ;) ) just sold on ebay for around $6k with lockers, 175k and was private party sale. They are out there. Good luck!
 
I got in on this way late, but some words from me ( I am a licensed used car dealer in Texas.)

1. In Texas only licensed dealers are subject to the DMV "dealer rules." Even if the "Mom and Pop" dealership transferred the title across from seller to buyer (which is common and legal if you hold a dealer's license), they could have very well checked one of the two boxes on the back of the title that allows for either a.) Mileage shown is incorrect or, B.) Mileage shown exceeds mechanical limits. If they did neither, they have potential liability, but only to the extent that if they acted fraudulently, which is unlikely over a $5K truck. More likely they acted out of ignorance. Dealers who commit odo fraud do it for much bigger numbers, like when you own a truck for $3500 and want to sell it for $6500.

2. The Texas DMV/DOT and AG do not care about person-to-person odometer fraud because they don't have enough resources to pursue it. If an individual is scammed, they need to get a lawyer involved and take it to court.

3. The FIRST THING EVERY BUYER SHOULD DO when looking at a used car is determine whether or not the mileage is accurate. Everything else comes after that. In this case, you might have thought $5k was a good deal regardless of miles, but just imagine what could have happened if you had bought the truck without the CarFax knowledge and then tried to sell it later to someone who had CarFax knowledge. Your "good deal" $5k truck could have had YOU in hot water.

4. Every seller must make a representation of some sort (actual, not actual, unknown, exceeds mechanical limits) at the time of sale. Therefore, a buyer should never purchase a vehicle with odometer issues unless you have properly completed paperwork to match. Most states have options on the title that are filled in during transfer that state the mileage. You could inherit a problem bigger than the good deal you got.

Lastly....

This happened to me back in 1996...and all the LSLC guys know the story of Freebird, my awesome tan FJ-60. I drove it home, called the selling PO, found out the used car dealer selling it to me rolled the mileage. I called BS on him and told him to either FedEx me the title along with a 100% refund, or I was calling the OAG. Two days later, his lawyer called and faxed me a release to sign. My check and the title showed up fedEx the next day. I owned it for $0 and then spent the $5000 I had ready to pay for the truck on restoring it. But when I sold it, I declared the odometer issue to the buyer and did the appropriate paperwork.

Moral of the story....Buyer Beware.
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If and when looking again,you will be much happier with an 80' series over a 60, just try and take that one back or own it for a grand and drive it like you stole it!!!!!
 
Turbo Turtle said:
If and when looking again,you will be much happier with an 80' series over a 60, just try and take that one back or own it for a grand and drive it like you stole it!!!!!
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Uh, read the whole thing speedy, he already took it back, got is money and is moving on.:)
 
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