Putting Humpty Dumpty back together - 1970 FJ40
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He posted that he has new kits coming Lou.
under_psi
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45~ days before he gets and then has to test. if i read correctly...
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Yeah, that is the kit I am wanting as well. @beno said his stuff is the business and @ntsaint also gave it a nod so I'm going to hold on a bit. 45 days out is a good while, but at this point most of what I'm doing is frame, axles and drivetrain, so I'm guessing I'll still have the hardware well before I'll need much of it.
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unfortunately, i am about a week from wanting/needing a lot of it. ive just been wire wheeling all of my stuff.....oh well....it all in pretty good shape...
just wanted some of that gold....
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Ok, so I'm lost in the transmission and t-case weeds these days. So it's an original 3-on-the-tree trans and case. From what I'm coming up with, in order to use my current pto I will need to keep a single piece case from a 40 of some vintage, but what are my trans options with that? I'm also not entirely sure if the 2F and associated bell housing came out of a 40 or a 60 (gonna do some research on that tonight). Is a 4spd that comes in front of a "4spd" case an h41 or h42 or are those different? I found some info talking about different spline counts between the split cases and 3/4 spd cases....
I'm trying to decide if I can bolt the 2F to a 4spd trans (h55 would be amazing, but don't think that's an option if I want to keep my pto) and then bolt that to a single piece t-case that has my pto bolted to it?
Jezzz, this is crazy and I think some of the terminology is what's losing me.
Thanks
I'm trying to decide if I can bolt the 2F to a 4spd trans (h55 would be amazing, but don't think that's an option if I want to keep my pto) and then bolt that to a single piece t-case that has my pto bolted to it?
Jezzz, this is crazy and I think some of the terminology is what's losing me.
Thanks
Another important question is: Do all transfer cases have the internal PTO drive gear to mate-up with the PTO you have?
If not, can you pull the PTO drive gear out of the current 3spd and install it into a H41, H42, or H55f?
If not, can you pull the PTO drive gear out of the current 3spd and install it into a H41, H42, or H55f?
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PTO is on the drivers side of the t-case. From what I've gathered most solid cases and split-cases have a pto cover and can have a pto added (i think), but the bolt patterns are different between the 2 and the single piece cases are forward/ reverse (i think because they could be driven from the front or rear of the case), split case units are made for front output only and only one direction. The winch won't care which one it's connected to, but I'm just figuring it'd be easier to keep my pto than it would be to find a split case with a pto.
The transmissions are where I go off the rails. 3spd, 4spd, h41, h42, h55, output spline counts and t-case adaptability is what I don't understand. I think they can all go behind the 2F, but not sure what will bolt to a single piece case.
Also, I've read I could top shift the current 3spd, but I hope to run the tires off when it's finished and a 4spd or 5spd if possible would make driving much more palatable I think.
Its been a while since felt like such a newbie, but I greatly appreciate the help.
The transmissions are where I go off the rails. 3spd, 4spd, h41, h42, h55, output spline counts and t-case adaptability is what I don't understand. I think they can all go behind the 2F, but not sure what will bolt to a single piece case.
Also, I've read I could top shift the current 3spd, but I hope to run the tires off when it's finished and a 4spd or 5spd if possible would make driving much more palatable I think.
Its been a while since felt like such a newbie, but I greatly appreciate the help.
Just keep in mind both the 3sp and 4 speed give you the same final drive ratio of 1:1. So it really depends on how many times you want to shift. I always reccomended the 4sp as it is synchronized. If you want better drive ability a H55 will give you overdrive but finding one with a 40 series top cover and shifter is near about impossible.
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yeah, synchronized is a must as I'm not sure momma could do a non-sycro shifter.
I think the pto is my hang up, otherwise I'd do an h55 and a split, but would have to either find/trade my 3spd pto for a split case pto or just abandon the pto winch idea and the latter is not really on the radar.
I'll just keep digging in it.
I think the pto is my hang up, otherwise I'd do an h55 and a split, but would have to either find/trade my 3spd pto for a split case pto or just abandon the pto winch idea and the latter is not really on the radar.
I'll just keep digging in it.
Only first gear in the three speed is non-synchro. It just means you have to come to a complete stop to downshift from second to first. Otherwise it's the same. A floor shift conversion is really easy if the three on the tree is a hang up for you.
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Actually been looking at those @Bossman the deeper I dig, it seems that if I can bolt the 3speed behind the 2F and do a floor shift conversion, that might be the easiest for now, and I can persue other avenues as they come up.
Also been reading on cruiser outfitters about mating the h42 up to a 3spd case. Main thing I'm learning is that I have A LOT to learn.
Also been reading on cruiser outfitters about mating the h42 up to a 3spd case. Main thing I'm learning is that I have A LOT to learn.
H55F/case.
Cut lever, reweld at correct angle.
Done.
Cut lever, reweld at correct angle.
Done.
Sell PTO
Get good tranny
Done
Get good tranny
Done
What do you do about a parking brake with the split case...just don't worry about one? I think this is a rehash of a conversation from the Patina thread.
Matt don't need a parking brake!
Bomar
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Line lock for Park Break....no different then new cars with the electronic PB now.
Roger that.
Turn off car. Leave in gear.
Hope it restarts.
Hope it restarts.
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I've read the PB could possibly be transferred to output of S/C. Also seeing lots about just doing rear discs, even that for the price of rebuilding the drums I could have the rear discs with PB integrated.
I also know the likelihood of actually using the pto is low, and I could sell it and if I really need something on there just get an 8274, I just hate for it not to go back on the front. Kind of like why Patina isn't getting any paint. But if I am changing the entire drivetrain, then I guess the "originality" of it is kind of going out anyway.
@beno, can the split case pto be purchased NOS for less than the price of a black market kidney if at all?
So sounds like I need to start saving my nickles and dimes so I can hit our resident parts guy up for one of those fancy H55s he carries around in the back of the 70.
I also know the likelihood of actually using the pto is low, and I could sell it and if I really need something on there just get an 8274, I just hate for it not to go back on the front. Kind of like why Patina isn't getting any paint. But if I am changing the entire drivetrain, then I guess the "originality" of it is kind of going out anyway.
@beno, can the split case pto be purchased NOS for less than the price of a black market kidney if at all?
So sounds like I need to start saving my nickles and dimes so I can hit our resident parts guy up for one of those fancy H55s he carries around in the back of the 70.