Not mine, but supposed 2016 Land Cruiser Double Cab Pickup for sale...
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OP will probably be like "After a long 5 minute phone call, I decided to wire transfer 100k the next day. Then John Papp ghosted me. What did I do wrong?!"
I was at the expo this weekend (I live in Flagstaff so I'm lucky) and was super excited to find LC America. My dream truck, suddenly a possibility. I even went home and talked to the CFO with good response. On day 2 I spoke with another vendor that said "Google John Papp, that's all I'll say" and that brought me here. Thank god.
They say they are importing directly from Saudi Arabia, only the big V8 TD 4 door for $85k out the door. They are still deciding between a 25% or 50% down payment. I asked about warranty, service, parts, insurance, etc and they basically responded good questions but TBD. They also told me that they are a licensed vehicle manufacturer and dealer and that recent changes to importation laws allow them to blah blah blah...
There were a handful of other new(ish) 70 series trucks at the expo but they were all sitting on either 80, 100, 120, or 200 series chassis and the chassis' title. Or imported temporarily. Apparently shortening the 80 series frame 16" works to fit the sheet metal.
In conclusion, THANK YOU MUD FAMILY!!! I've been a serial lurker for years and am happy to contribute. -Ben
They say they are importing directly from Saudi Arabia, only the big V8 TD 4 door for $85k out the door. They are still deciding between a 25% or 50% down payment. I asked about warranty, service, parts, insurance, etc and they basically responded good questions but TBD. They also told me that they are a licensed vehicle manufacturer and dealer and that recent changes to importation laws allow them to blah blah blah...
There were a handful of other new(ish) 70 series trucks at the expo but they were all sitting on either 80, 100, 120, or 200 series chassis and the chassis' title. Or imported temporarily. Apparently shortening the 80 series frame 16" works to fit the sheet metal.
In conclusion, THANK YOU MUD FAMILY!!! I've been a serial lurker for years and am happy to contribute. -Ben
I was at the expo this weekend (I live in Flagstaff so I'm lucky) and was super excited to find LC America. My dream truck, suddenly a possibility. I even went home and talked to the CFO with good response. On day 2 I spoke with another vendor that said "Google John Papp, that's all I'll say" and that brought me here. Thank god.
They say they are importing directly from Saudi Arabia, only the big V8 TD 4 door for $85k out the door. They are still deciding between a 25% or 50% down payment. I asked about warranty, service, parts, insurance, etc and they basically responded good questions but TBD. They also told me that they are a licensed vehicle manufacturer and dealer and that recent changes to importation laws allow them to blah blah blah...
There were a handful of other new(ish) 70 series trucks at the expo but they were all sitting on either 80, 100, 120, or 200 series chassis and the chassis' title. Or imported temporarily. Apparently shortening the 80 series frame 16" works to fit the sheet metal.
In conclusion, THANK YOU MUD FAMILY!!! I've been a serial lurker for years and am happy to contribute. -Ben
They say they are importing directly from Saudi Arabia, only the big V8 TD 4 door for $85k out the door. They are still deciding between a 25% or 50% down payment. I asked about warranty, service, parts, insurance, etc and they basically responded good questions but TBD. They also told me that they are a licensed vehicle manufacturer and dealer and that recent changes to importation laws allow them to blah blah blah...
There were a handful of other new(ish) 70 series trucks at the expo but they were all sitting on either 80, 100, 120, or 200 series chassis and the chassis' title. Or imported temporarily. Apparently shortening the 80 series frame 16" works to fit the sheet metal.
In conclusion, THANK YOU MUD FAMILY!!! I've been a serial lurker for years and am happy to contribute. -Ben
Very glad to see you were saved from getting Papp-smeared!
"No way is this truck legit. But we will happily take your money and tell you it is legit... But in other news, check out my cool LC79 America shirt-- your's free with a $20K deposit. I can guarantee you will get the shirt. And check out my bro-douche flat bill hat that I curved a bit ... That's free too!"
The secret black box, bro. The one created by the "genius" of the two(?) Papps.
If this guy has a place of business and has made multiple public appearances and everyone knows who he is, could they really run off with a bunch of money and get away with it? Perhaps I am naive to believe in our judicial system?
Well, you may be naïve. When it comes to civil actions concerning money, our judicial system may work given the right amount of money thrown at it. What I mean is there are scams EVERYWHERE with money and the race to catch them is long and costly. (And may not be worth it in the end.)
A judgment would be easy to win, getting the money back is a different story. Pro scammers like the Papps know what to do. Setup an LLC, put all your cash & assets in your wife's name, fold up shop and say you had the best of intentions. They've done it before.
Yep. Judgments are easy-ish enough when you've got a good case, but, ya, getting the money and/or actual justice is completely different.
I was involved with a suit involving a uship transporter that swindled a bunch of us [dumbasses] into paying full price up front for shipping vehicles etc etc and then the dude just disappeared with everyone's money. Had the DA of Maine actually take the case against the guy. IIRC, there were 10-12 of us that paid the guy up front and never had any goods or services performed. Total was around $35000 between all of us, i think. Case was decided in our favor and judgments ordered for all money plus damages to be repaid. But of course, the dude had taken the money and ran. I've never seen one damn cent back of my $1000 bucks on that one. :-/
Posted it here on 'Mud back when it was going down:
Shipper trying to steal my money (aka my uship experience)
I was involved with a suit involving a uship transporter that swindled a bunch of us [dumbasses] into paying full price up front for shipping vehicles etc etc and then the dude just disappeared with everyone's money. Had the DA of Maine actually take the case against the guy. IIRC, there were 10-12 of us that paid the guy up front and never had any goods or services performed. Total was around $35000 between all of us, i think. Case was decided in our favor and judgments ordered for all money plus damages to be repaid. But of course, the dude had taken the money and ran. I've never seen one damn cent back of my $1000 bucks on that one. :-/
Posted it here on 'Mud back when it was going down:
Shipper trying to steal my money (aka my uship experience)
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If it is intentional fraud is that not a criminal case?
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You are correct. Judgments are easy to get, extremely hard to actually get money back. As a note on judgments, O.J. Simpson was ordered to pay 33 million to the Goldmans, (Now 50 million with interest), and he never paid a cent and will never pay. Businesses that do crooked things know that for you to try and get your 1000.00 dollars will cost more than you would recover. This is where our judicial system fails.
Plus, if Papp has LCA is set up as an LLC, any civil judgement will go against the LLC it’s assets, and the Papps and their personal assets are protected unless you can prove fraud. And once they fold the LLC and declare bankruptcy, you ain’t getting s***.
Yeah, we all know what the Papps are likely trying to do, but to prove them guilty of fraud in court to pierce the protections of an LLC would not be an easy task without hard evidence of intent.
Yeah, we all know what the Papps are likely trying to do, but to prove them guilty of fraud in court to pierce the protections of an LLC would not be an easy task without hard evidence of intent.