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For sure, let's let it play out though before we give them a ranking above Mushro.
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Not mine, but supposed 2016 Land Cruiser Double Cab Pickup for sale...
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For sure, let's let it play out though before we give them a ranking above Mushro.
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I’ve heard from John Papp via email. They’re there and reportedly have had a very positive response from those visiting the booth. Just wondering if anybody on here had a chance to visit and talk/ask questions.
Their stock 79 series is there with a table of brochures. No one was there when I passed by but I’ve heard people have talked to them and they’re out there pushing hard to take deposits (surprise lol). My understanding from a few people is that the event organizers were made aware of the Papps this evening. They are in a target rich environment. Let’s hope no one is tricked into giving them money.
That’s my whole question behind their operation.
They are taking “deposits” on a truck that they don’t even have DOT and EPA approval to even import yet, and the clock is ticking on their exemption on their demo truck.
Basically at this point, even though they may have put some of their own money in initially, they are potentially making the depositees take all the financial risk.
Looking at their 1 page reservation agreement, their so-called terms and conditons dont do very much to offer any protection or assurances to somebody wanting to make a deposit.
Here are a couple things that I would want answered in writing as far as terms of a deposit......
- Based on their "reservation agreement", the money is not held in any type of escrow. So how are the depositees funds protected if LCA declares bankruptcy and shuts the doors?
- How long does LC America get to keep the money and not deliver before he is considered in breach of contract?
- Since no escrow, how do depositees get their money back if this drags on indefinitely, or the truck gets crushed and Papp and Co. go under?
The devil is in the fine print, NAWMSAYN
Also, if DOT and EPA approve them for import, what’s to stop me (or another company) from just piggybacking on the DOT/EPA approval and importing my own truck through an RI for potentially less money than LCA?
Can they in some way claim exclusive rights to importing the trucks since they did the paperwork?
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@SteveJackson .. "My understanding from a few people is that the event organizers were made aware of the Papps this evening."
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I assume the organizers of the event have a reputation to protect and would want to prevent a known scam from occurring at their event. The question being, do they have the where with all to remove a vendor they deem unworthy?
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I assume the organizers of the event have a reputation to protect and would want to prevent a known scam from occurring at their event. The question being, do they have the where with all to remove a vendor they deem unworthy?
While I wholeheartedly agree with your point, I wonder if they can even remove them? Yeah they’re shady as can be and are most definitely trying to pull a fast one. But technically, up to this point, have they broken any laws? Probably so good at dotting their i’s and crossing the t’s that they have some protection from expulsion?
The exemption expires in about two weeks. Which is why they are here getting deposits. They claim to have gotten an extension, we’ll see.
They probably can’t boot them for various reasons, but the community here has been made aware of their scam by several other people. But they have infringed on a trademark and are getting sued and they are being sued by someone who submitted payment for a vehicle that was never delivered.
That’s my whole question behind their operation.
They are taking “deposits” on a truck that they don’t even have DOT and EPA approval to even import yet, and the clock is ticking on their exemption on their demo truck.
Basically at this point, even though they may have put some of their own money in initially, they are potentially making the depositees take all the financial risk.
Looking at their 1 page reservation agreement, their so-called terms and conditons dont do very much to offer any protection or assurances to somebody wanting to make a deposit.
Here are a couple things that I would want answered in writing as far as terms of a deposit......
- Based on their "reservation agreement", the money is not held in any type of escrow. So how are the depositees funds protected if LCA declares bankruptcy and shuts the doors?
- How long does LC America get to keep the money and not deliver before he is considered in breach of contract?
- Since no escrow, how do depositees get their money back if this drags on indefinitely, or the truck gets crushed and Papp and Co. go under?
The devil is in the fine print, NAWMSAYN
Also, if DOT and EPA approve them for import, what’s to stop me (or another company) from just piggybacking on the DOT/EPA approval and importing my own truck through an RI for potentially less money than LCA?
Can they in some way claim exclusive rights to importing the trucks since they did the paperwork?
You’re thinking about this like it’s a real business working on an actual product to sell. As their history proves, this is a con. Nothing more. They have no intention of ever legalizing or importing vehicles.
If they could answer these questions and have appropriate documentation and contractual protections with having the deposits set aside in a trust or escrow account, that would go a long way to prove their legitimacy.
Plus it would offer a modicum of reassurance to potential investors that their deposits won’t disappear like a fart in the wind if LCA goes under
Have you run across them actually in their booth?
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If they could answer these questions and have appropriate documentation and contractual protections with having the deposits set aside in a trust or escrow account, that would go a long way to prove their legitimacy.
Plus it would offer a modicum of reassurance to potential investors that their deposits won’t disappear like a fart in the wind if LCA goes under
Have you run across them actually in their booth?
Going under and keeping the deposits is the entire point of the scam. That’s why they don’t do those things you mention.
I don’t have time to listen to hot air from scam artists so I didn’t waste time going by there again. This Papp situation has been going on for 18 months now. I know of people who have talked to someone in their booth, so someone is here from LC America pimping deposits but who knows.
Easy pickings at Overland Expo. Those folks hand over money for lots of junk and stupid s***. They will catch a few unsuspecting people who only see the 79 and nothing else.
Too bad. But weeding out bad apples does not seem to be prevalent in any enthusiast community until the crime has already happened.
Bummer.
Too bad. But weeding out bad apples does not seem to be prevalent in any enthusiast community until the crime has already happened.
Bummer.
Was LC America in there? I only saw the patriot campers 79.
Is it not mentioned by the naratnar?
If not, I'll pull it, reviewing.
Edit: youre right Steve. I did not realize Patriot was calling their's an LC79. Fake news, deleted!
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