Just a bit.
Not mine, but supposed 2016 Land Cruiser Double Cab Pickup for sale...
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Just a bit.
Again - not sure how TMS USA would pull that off - essentially they would have to force whatever overseas dealership to not sell vehicles. They aren't being bought in TMS USA's territory, right? So - TMS USA would have to force some form of embargo in the potential countries of origin - which could be pretty much anywhere that sells left hand drive 70 series trucks worldwide. Not saying it is impossible, but that might be difficult to enforce worldwide.
So let's see. I want to buy a Jeep that I can take and manufacture into the best darn LC America on the market. So, I go to my local Jeep dealer and buy my Jeep. And you really believe that somehow that Jeep dealer is going to be able to legally deny me the sale? I'd like to hear about one time that has actually happened / been the case.
Toyota has a tight grip on their supply chain.
Ever try to get a J8 jeep from the middle east? There ya go. You need to do more research. But anyway, this is a purely hypothetical situation. You don't have anything to sell or anything for Toyota to stop you from selling so...
Must be a pretty slow time at SEMA day 1 for L79/LC America. Lots of time to be online posting on this "dumb" forum as you've called it. I'm heading down tonight after trick-or-treating so maybe we'll run into each other there.
I think it is awesome that you believe that we could be a big enough threat to Toyota that they would look at us for more than one nanosecond and think that they had to invest their time, energy and resources into shutting us down. If only we can be so fortunate.
So which is it? This is a "dumb" forum and a waste of time, or it's important? I thought you were going to SEMA with all kinds of meetings lined up? More lies? How do you keep it straight Mike, er I mean John?
Toyota's tight grip on their supply chain will have no impact whatsoever on our ability to sell, maintain and service these vehicles.
There's nothing to stop, you don't have anything to sell.
It doesn't cost them a dime to shut down things that only happen in your own imagination.
And you believe that this U.S. President and this U.S. government is going to let a Japanese corporation or the Japanese government tell us to shut down a small U.S. start-up company like LC America? Can you imagine the hay that could be made in the press? It's just not going to EVER happen.
I'll illuminate what I am saying with two examples:
1. Friedkin Family that owns Gulf States Toyota (one of the largest Toyota distributorships in the world) has a fleet of these 79 series trucks in LHD flavor on one of their many hunting ranches in the US. They were purchased legally outside of the US and brought into the US. The Friedkin family tried like hell to make it worth their while to convince TMS and TMC to legalize these for the US market. Toyota said flat out NO. So, they registered these as fleet/off-road vehicles and they only operate on the ranches and have never been on a regular road in the US. Ever. Except on a transport truck to the ranch.
2. A very large dealer group proprietor in the US who has a direct connection with Toyota tried like hell to get these trucks legally imported into the US for regular use a number of years back. After an array of lawyers from both sides discussed the possibilities, discussed with the US government the possibilities to legalize these trucks, etc., said proprietor had to go to New Zealand to buy these trucks, brought them into the country on a 1 year exemption (just like LC79America) and then unfortunately they had to leave after that.
These two groups above have SIGNIFICANTLY more money than every person on MUD put together x 10,000. And they even said it was not feasible fiscally or risk-wise.
3. The Chief Engineer of the Land Cruiser program at Toyota Motor Corporation Sadayoshi Koyori himself even said that the 7x series trucks will never be legally available for sale in the US through TMS, USA or privately in any way shape or form.
1. Friedkin Family that owns Gulf States Toyota (one of the largest Toyota distributorships in the world) has a fleet of these 79 series trucks in LHD flavor on one of their many hunting ranches in the US. They were purchased legally outside of the US and brought into the US. The Friedkin family tried like hell to make it worth their while to convince TMS and TMC to legalize these for the US market. Toyota said flat out NO. So, they registered these as fleet/off-road vehicles and they only operate on the ranches and have never been on a regular road in the US. Ever. Except on a transport truck to the ranch.
2. A very large dealer group proprietor in the US who has a direct connection with Toyota tried like hell to get these trucks legally imported into the US for regular use a number of years back. After an array of lawyers from both sides discussed the possibilities, discussed with the US government the possibilities to legalize these trucks, etc., said proprietor had to go to New Zealand to buy these trucks, brought them into the country on a 1 year exemption (just like LC79America) and then unfortunately they had to leave after that.
These two groups above have SIGNIFICANTLY more money than every person on MUD put together x 10,000. And they even said it was not feasible fiscally or risk-wise.
3. The Chief Engineer of the Land Cruiser program at Toyota Motor Corporation Sadayoshi Koyori himself even said that the 7x series trucks will never be legally available for sale in the US through TMS, USA or privately in any way shape or form.
Now Trump is getting involved? Talk about delusional.
Yeah exactly, you don't have anything to sell so....
Not to discount the above, but I've wondered why? I've often thought that Toyota should stop selling the 200 series 'Land Cruiser' as it exists now in the US and only sell it's sister equivalent Lexus 570. I.e. just admit it's really a luxury vehicle. Then, a year or so later, bring the 70 series to the US market under the 'Land Cruiser' moniker. OK, so it's a dream and will never happen. What is sold as a Land Cruiser in the US will continue down it's path to becoming a luxury minivan with bad gas mileage. Somewhere in the background there must be arrangements that make it more profitable to not fill this market niche.
I don't pretend to understand everything that goes into car manufacturers product plans by market though. Even US car companies have models sold overseas based on common platforms to US models that we'll never see.
Ford Fusion = Ford Mondeo (same platform)
Ford Mondeo is available in Europe in an all wheel drive wagon configuration with options for diesel engines and manual transmissions - we'll never see them here.
French: Home or Spanish: Home
"Free trade" always seems to come down to what corporations can sell to each other - not what consumers can walk over a border, purchase and bring home.
How come 47 pages with no pictures of the LC America team posing in front of the one or two trucks you guys say you actually own? Working on them, waxing them on Old Elpaso Blvd, eating donuts in them. Something that would help us BELIEVE in you. And really is there two Papps here? Or only one with two stage names? I want to Believe. Help me.
I know for a fact one truck is here in the US (Colorado) with 1 year exemption paperwork for testing purposes ONLY.
Nothing else.
Colorado and PA plates.
Paperwork looks legit.
Nothing else.
Colorado and PA plates.
Paperwork looks legit.
We'll have the greatest cruisers...beautiful...nobody will have better cruisers than us. And the Japanese will pay for them.