My wife: A brand new 4Runner Limited or a 3 year old 200?

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Vehicle vs vehicle there is simply no comparison.

The LC wins on every front except if large is considered bad.
Quality, safety, power, durability, accidents...fit and finish...drive train...

Beyond that...only YOU know your wife.

Just to play devil's advocate: the Cruiser is overbuilt, but my experience shows the 4runner to be just as, if not more reliable. The 4runner doesn't have the starter, radiator and water pump issues almost all Cruisers will have to fix. The resale % is also going to be much better on a 4Runner. That said, I like the LC so much more and love the way it handles, especially off-road, although the 4runner isn't bad.

I plan to replace my wife's 4runner with a new one soon (waiting for 6th gen to decide if we like it or by a last of the 5th gen). I will likely do the same with the 200 when the 300 is released.

Both are great rigs.
 
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Well, he can call her anything he wants but Fat Amy is her name. Fat Amazon. Because she's a big rig. (I don't really know bit I loved the name). Shara? Does that mean Fat Amy? Lol.
 
Just to play devil's advocate: the Cruiser is overbuilt, but my experience shows the 4runner to be just as, if not more reliable. The 4runner doesn't have the starter, radiator and water pump issues almost all Cruisers will have to fix. The resale % is also going to be much better on a 4Runner. That said, I like the LC so much more and love the way it handles, especially off-road, although the 4runner isn't bad.

I plan to replace my wife's 4runner with a new one soon (waiting for 6th gen to decide if we like it or by a last of the 5th gen). I will likely do the same with the 200 when the 300 is released.

Both are great rigs.

Not knocking the 4Runner at all.
It’s a good truck and would be my choice in that segment. But being overbuilt is a bad thing...how?

Both are quality vehicles...both get crappy gas mileage. It’s just that when the $ is similar? The LC is just fully in a different class.

But meh... :meh: :hillbilly::cheers:
 
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If she's used to high end cars and likes all the little features and fancy things and doesn't mind or actually prefers a slightly larger vehicle... Then the LC is the only choice really. Better luxury features, not robust vehicle, WAY better engine IMO in terms of acceleration and power, more unique since you literally see 4 4runners on every corner, better tailgate, more cargo room, 3rd row seats... I honestly can't think of any benefit of the 4runner.. unless she just greatly prefers the 4runner looks or wants a smaller vehicle then LC
 
I had the same dilemma last year and bought the used Land Cruiser. The Land Cruiser is so much more than the 4 runner. Let her drive both.
 
She doesn't like the GX front end and thinks it's overstyled. Same for the LX.

Is the "overstyled" perception on the LX "norelco razor" grill ('16 on) only? If not, maybe a '15 LX? Sounds like brand is important to her - and the AHC "squat down" feature on the LX makes hopping in and out in a dress much easier.

Over the years I've found that folks buy Land Cruisers because they want the ultimate in quality and comfort but fly under the radar as Toyota is not perceived as a euro/asian luxury brand.
 
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I bought a new 2019 TRD Premium package for my fiance about 2 months ago. We got a pretty good deal on it. It definitely won't depreciate as fast as a newer 200. However, in terms of smoothness, shifting, power, and features it doesn't really compare to my 200.
 
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When it was time to replace my ‘03 V8 4Runner, I test drove the 5th gen 3 times. I wanted to like it, as I’d kept my 4th gen for 13 years. But I just couldn’t. That 5-speed transmission is ancient and needs at least a couple more gears. The V6 will move the truck if you give enough boot, but it is so unpleasant at high revs, and it needs high revs because it doesn’t have enough low end torque. I spent more on a CPO 2-year-old LC than on a new 4Runner, but the LC is just so much more truck. It is much more comfortable, quieter, more luxurious in every way. Downside is the fuel economy is horrifically bad, but I knew that going in.
 
I bought a new 2019 TRD Premium package for my fiance about 2 months ago. We got it for $38,000 which I thought was a pretty good deal. It definitely won't depreciate as fast as a newer 200. However, in terms of smoothness, shifting, power, and features it doesn't really compare to my 200.




You are wrong if you take the same $38,000 and buy a 200. $38,000 is a good price for a TRD premium though which helps.
 
Just have her drive both and see what she prefers. My wife seldom drives the LC because she thinks it's too big. She liked the GX better but agreed to the LC because i love them. Now i never get to drive my tuned turbo sedan.
 
Darned if you do, darned if you don't. I have owned two 5th Gen 4runners and now a 200. As Markuson said, these are two distinctly different vehicles with two different personalities.

If you plan on keeping either truck in factory configuration, the 4Runner WILL be more economical. The 200 will be more accommodating.

The 200 interior is well appointed. The seats are a little more spacious than the 5th Gen. When I test drove the 200, I was very concerned about the amount of information and features. My first impression was, "Wow, this is a bunch of stuff just waiting to go wrong." Once you get comfortable with handling the features, it's ok. For me, it was turning off everything except the blind spot monitoring.

The 5th gen comparatively doesn't seem to have the same level of detail in the interior, and to some it is outdated. The seats are slimmer in all areas. Big knobs, buttons, and the steering wheel controls are very basic making it feel older. There is also limited amount of adjustment and information in the 5th Gen. I absolutely love the interior of the 4Runner. It was the closest thing to a modern feeling 80-series. Problem is, I am a Land Cruiser enthusiast, and ultimately there is no substitute.

The difference in powertrain, I can say for fact, is substantial. Here's opinion: The 3UR and 8-speed transmission is a fantastic combo. The powertrain and gearing in the 4Runner is just enough in factory trim. If your wife intends to put heavier or larger tires on it, you'll find the truck just isn't geared for it.

The 4Runner is very capable offroad in stock form. We have a few 5th Gen in the local cruiser group, one of which is completely stock. The lady that own it will take it everywhere the rest of the group goes. No issues besides some pin-striping and scratches on the tupperware.

There's discussion about a significant drop on resale/trade-in value when the next generations hit the lots. Here's my take. There will always be a cult following for previous generation. People will always be resistant to change, and that could benefit you so long as the timing is right. The 4Runner has sold more new models year over year for the last few years. The 200-series sells generally less than 3,500 annually. 200-series might preserve their value a little more, and a little longer. The market for used 5th Gen 4Runners will be flooded when everyone starts jumping to the 6th Gen.

If you have any specific questions not addressed, I'll be more than happy to provide feedback. Ultimately, your wife has to decide, so..."happy wife, happy life."
 
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It isn't your car so let her decide - but - have her take both on an extended test drive on roads where she would normally drive. The 4Runner is not nearly as civilized as the LC on the highway and the tech is so 2000 modern.

After the test drive she can make an informed decision and you need to be happy with that as well.
 
It isn't your car so let her decide

Yeah, this. Her car, her decision.

I just helped Mrs. M1911 replace her 10-year-old C-class. I test drove the new C-class and new 3-Series myself, prior to bringing her to the Mercedes dealer to test the new C-class. She liked the new C-class and didn't want to drive the new 3-Series. I might have bought a 3 instead if it was for me, but it's her car and her decision. So we bought a her new C-class right then and there.
 
Coming from a Range Rover, that 4Runner will feel a lot slower and less refined for her daily driving.

Have you considered pre-spindle grille Lexuses? Maybe she wouldn't be opposed to a 2015 and earlier LX570 or 2013 and earlier GX460 - she might not feel that those are over styled. Both of those are also head and shoulders above the 4Runner in highway driving, quietness and smoothness, luxury, build quality, and not to mention off road capability. There's probably 20 other areas I could list them surpassing the 4Runner, but you get the picture. The newer 4Runner Limiteds are also hideous IMO, that chrome mustache going across the smushed front ruins the bold lines of the other 4Runner models. Buying it brand new and having that small of an infotainment screen will probably also feel like a step backward for her.

The Land Cruiser will always feel like a luxury SUV because it is designed from the ground up that way - a 4Runner will feel like lipstick on a pig by comparison. You can probably get a 2016 Land Cruiser (best case scenario IMO) in the $50-60k ballpark, and the 2013-2015 previous revision model for even less. The depreciation and quality over time will also be the best out of all the Toyota trucks.
 
Yeah, this. Her car, her decision.

I just helped Mrs. M1911 replace her 10-year-old C-class. I test drove the new C-class and new 3-Series myself, prior to bringing her to the Mercedes dealer to test the new C-class. She liked the new C-class and didn't want to drive the new 3-Series. I might have bought a 3 instead if it was for me, but it's her car and her decision. So we bought a her new C-class right then and there.

Seems like this guy is kind of taking flack for not letting his wife choose... But I have a different perspective since my woman decided a long time ago that I'm better at picking out stuff like cars and cellphones for her than she is. Like she refuses to pick out her own cellphone. Last time she needed a new car she told me "I want leather, memory seats and Bluetooth in a small SUV... " I found her a Lexus SUV with those options and she loves it. She didn't even want to pick out the color.
Anyway, just saying that the advice of "let her pick"... May not really work for some people. Funny enough, I usually make her pick what I get to eat most of the time. I'm not a picky eater and she knows what I like plus I don't have to even think about what to order... Lol.
 
Even the Limited version of the 4runner is way below the quality of a LC. Noise, ride, detail, etc. If she has been driving a RR, the 4runner will feel like a cheap pair of slacks to her once she drives it a couple of days. I speak from experience.

I agree with someone who posted earlier about having a look at a 15 LX. It is much more subtle than the later versions and is pretty close in luxury to the RR (except the console tech). I bet if you could get her to drive one, she would consider it.

Otherwise, I also agree with everybody else that getting her anything other than what she wants is just asking for trouble. Even if it involves driving an overpriced hunk of junk RR 250 miles for a $1k service every 6 months.
 
I bought this one that was traded in by a fellow member in MS. But it seems like he bought it from yet another member in San Diego.

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Nice.. The Green is more unique and being discontinued.

I have a 2016 and paid less that that and it had like 3x,xxx miles on it. You can neg. that number.
There is a inexpensive extended coverage plan if it has less than 36k for about $1000.

I would let her go drive each one and choose. ... The LC is obviously way nicer than a 4runner and built way better with better parts.
 
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