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Update:

New inner axle arrived. I don’t have time to wrench today….but I literally couldn’t help myself.
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The shaft went in with zero drama about 11 seconds after I unwrapped it.

Big thanks to team @cruiseroutfit for taking care of me. I’m going to get the old axle back to you as soon as I find the effing packing tape.
 
PNWTreeOctopus said:
Update:

New inner axle arrived. I don’t have time to wrench today….but I literally couldn’t help myself.
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The shaft went in with zero drama about 11 seconds after I unwrapped it.

Big thanks to team @cruiseroutfit for taking care of me. I’m going to get the old axle back to you as soon as I find the effing packing tape.
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Nice, and it looks like it assembled quick and easy!
 
FMC80 said:
This is what happens when you deviate from the Toyota way.
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I suppose. I’ll upgrade if break them. But I left the only buy Toyota family when I bought Fuji joint spindles and drive flanges. I feel great about it all.

Would I use a non Toyota part on an engine rebuild? Not if I could help it.
 
PNWTreeOctopus said:
Axle brand of non fitting unit
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More than likely Chinesium. You could have at least go e with Terrain Tamer brand. When I ordered new body mounts I asked Partsouq about the quality of the Febest brand mounts as opposed to OEM. They responded with - we recommend Febest brand only as a temporary solution.
 
baldilocks said:
More than likely Chinesium. You could have at least go e with Terrain Tamer brand. When I ordered new body mounts I asked Partsouq about the quality of the Febest brand mounts as opposed to OEM. They responded with - we recommend Febest brand only as a temporary solution.
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A. What parts expertise particularly about axle shafts does Partsouq have? They simply resell.

B. And do tell where the Terrain Tamer aftermarkets inners are made? I'm quite certain either India or China. Febest (German) sources parts from several regions, China included. We've sold/installed a dozen different shaft manufacturers over the years, zero warranties with the Febest or the more common variant we use for stock replacements. We stand behind them just as we do with any of our parts. We warranty more RCV & Nitro for reference, obviously a different end user. There are Febest parts we wouldn't use/sell, there are Miku parts we won't use/sell, there are Nitro, ARB, etc parts we won't use/sell.
 
PNWTreeOctopus said:
I suppose. I’ll upgrade if break them. But I left the only buy Toyota family when I bought Fuji joint spindles and drive flanges. I feel great about it all.

Would I use a non Toyota part on an engine rebuild? Not if I could help it.
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I’m giving you s***; you already know that. It was either the use of non-Toyota parts or not being able to make the defective parts work, but I was going to give you s*** regardless. Perks of being my friend.

Phenomenal customer service by @cruiseroutfit !!
 
cruiseroutfit said:
A. What parts expertise particularly about axle shafts does Partsouq have? They simply resell.

B. And do tell where the Terrain Tamer aftermarkets inners are made? I'm quite certain either India or China. Febest (German) sources parts from several regions, China included. We've sold/installed a dozen different shaft manufacturers over the years, zero warranties with the Febest or the more common variant we use for stock replacements. We stand behind them just as we do with any of our parts. We warranty more RCV & Nitro for reference, obviously a different end user. There are Febest parts we wouldn't use/sell, there are Miku parts we won't use/sell, there are Nitro, ARB, etc parts we won't use/sell.
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cruiseroutfit said:
A. What parts expertise particularly about axle shafts does Partsouq have? They simply resell.

B. And do tell where the Terrain Tamer aftermarkets inners are made? I'm quite certain either India or China. Febest (German) sources parts from several regions, China included. We've sold/installed a dozen different shaft manufacturers over the years, zero warranties with the Febest or the more common variant we use for stock replacements. We stand behind them just as we do with any of our parts. We warranty more RCV & Nitro for reference, obviously a different end user. There are Febest parts we wouldn't use/sell, there are Miku parts we won't use/sell, there are Nitro, ARB, etc parts we won't use/sell.
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Lighten up Francis. I’m quite sure your following won’t be significantly diminished by the content of my posts.

I’ve had a couple issues with Nitro axle shafts myself in the form of two broken rears - “they are made in the So. Korea at the same factory as Dana Corp axles” I was told by the seller. Quality control has suffered worldwide.

I’m pretty sure Partsouq sells boat loads of car parts and is qualified to rate those parts.
 
baldilocks said:
Lighten up Francis. I’m quite sure your following won’t be significantly diminished by the content of my posts.

I’ve had a couple issues with Nitro axle shafts myself in the form of two broken rears - “they are made in the So. Korea at the same factory as Dana Corp axles” I was told by the seller. Quality control has suffered worldwide.

I’m pretty sure Partsouq sells boat loads of car parts and is qualified to rate those parts.
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Sounds good Sgt. Hopefully PartSouq will join Mud and share all their amazing tech and parts use experience. Next we’ll get Amazon and Walmart onboard, they too sell boat loads of parts. :D
 
cruiseroutfit said:
Sounds good Sgt. Hopefully PartSouq will join Mud and share all their amazing tech and parts use experience. Next we’ll get Amazon and Walmart onboard, they too sell boat loads of parts. :D
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It doesn’t take a cruiser expert to rate individual auto parts like body mounts based on the number of warranty claims and various other reports and complaints. I do realize that even the automotive titan we all revere out sources manufacturing of certain products. In the end, it boils down to step by step quality control.
 
baldilocks said:
It doesn’t take a cruiser expert to rate individual auto parts like body mounts based on the number of warranty claims and various other reports and complaints. I do realize that even the automotive titan we all revere out sources manufacturing of certain products. In the end, it boils down to step by step quality control.
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And the PartsSouq rep you chatted with is a QC/Materials/Mech engineer and explained what the issue is? Obviously it's not a big enough issue for them stop selling them. A "temporary solution" for a body mount. That's funny! :D

Well, we still didn't sell him body mounts. So while it's a fun conversation, it has nothing to do with his parts. ;)
 
cruiseroutfit said:
And the PartsSouq rep you chatted with is a QC/Materials/Mech engineer and explained what the issue is? Obviously it's not a big enough issue for them stop selling them. A "temporary solution" for a body mount. That's funny! :D

Well, we still didn't sell him body mounts. So while it's a fun conversation, it has nothing to do with his parts. ;)
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As a consumer don’t necessarily need to why repeat failures or lack of a products ability to stand the test if time occurs. What I do need to know is where to purchase products that work as intended and trouble free.
 
baldilocks said:
As a consumer don’t necessarily need to why repeat failures or lack of a products ability to stand the test if time occurs. What I do need to know is where to purchase products that work as intended and trouble free.
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Right, which is why I'm here. He purchased the product (an aftermarket axle shaft) from us and we (I) absolutely stand behind it. This despite your recommendation to use a different product based on anecdotal third party recommendation of a totally different product (body mount). These axles work and in all instances but this case, with the snap ring groove, we've had zero issues. We inspected and remedied all of our remaining stock and will know to inspect those in the future. He was sent an immediate replacement.

It's about like saying "I won't buy a new Land Cruiser because my buddy at the dealership thinks the Supra is going to need a ton of maintenance" 🤣

If we stopped selling products based on experiencing manufacturing related warranties, we couldn't sell Toyota, ARB, Dobinson, AISIN, Advics, Denso, Koyo, etc, etc, etc. When those issues are extremely minor, representing well under 1% or sales, myself and our parts engineer, are totally fine with that. There are absolutely parts we did sell, saw unacceptable failure rates or sliding QC and now no longer offer them.

Look, we aren't pushing these aftermarket shafts on anyone, we stock OEM shafts, RCV, HD, Nitro, Longfield, NTK, Miku, Febest and likely some others I'm forgetting. I'm confident we stock more new axle options than any other Toyota supplier in the US. We stand behind any we sell and won't order those we can't sell/install here in the shop.
 
cruiseroutfit said:
Right, which is why I'm here. He purchased the product (an aftermarket axle shaft) from us and we (I) absolutely stand behind it. This despite your recommendation to use a different product based on anecdotal third party recommendation of a totally different product (body mount). These axles work and in all instances but this case, with the snap ring groove, we've had zero issues. We inspected and remedied all of our remaining stock and will know to inspect those in the future. He was sent an immediate replacement.

It's about like saying "I won't buy a new Land Cruiser because my buddy at the dealership thinks the Supra is going to need a ton of maintenance" 🤣

If we stopped selling products based on experiencing manufacturing related warranties, we couldn't sell Toyota, ARB, Dobinson, AISIN, Advics, Denso, Koyo, etc, etc, etc. When those issues are extremely minor, representing well under 1% or sales, myself and our parts engineer, are totally fine with that. There are absolutely parts we did sell, saw unacceptable failure rates or sliding QC and now no longer offer them.

Look, we aren't pushing these aftermarket shafts on anyone, we stock OEM shafts, RCV, HD, Nitro, Longfield, NTK, Miku, Febest and likely some others I'm forgetting. I'm confident we stock more new axle options than any other Toyota supplier in the US. We stand behind any we sell and won't order those we can't sell/install here in the shop.
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I’ll bet you lunch that I could break it…… would that fall into anecdotal or empirical data? My choices follow popular vote which is usually based on real world experiences (empirical data) especially if said product is made in the USA. I’m not brand loyal nor am I vendor loyal. I fancy myself a tester…
 
baldilocks said:
I’ll bet you lunch that I could break it…… would that fall into anecdotal or empirical data? My choices follow popular vote which is usually based on real world experiences (empirical data) especially if said product is made in the USA. I’m not brand loyal nor am I vendor loyal. I fancy myself a tester…
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Cool story bro. Again, we offer multiple options. It's naive (at best) to assume we recommend the stock duty aftermarket shaft to the customer that has a use case necessitating 300M shafts. Of course someone can break a stock birf/shaft. You mentioned earlier you were running Nitro Shafts so why do you think it's a flex to run and break a stock duty shaft???

I too have broke many stock birfs/shafts over the past decades, trail riding, racing, competitive rock crawling. I'm on the trail 100+ days a year with friends, customers, races, military clients, training events, recovery work. I work with customers that buy these parts for daily drivers, KOH builds, trips around the globe. I see/hear what breaks first-hand. I cover the cost of many warranties (particularly up front) if/when there is an issue, I'm extremely sensitive to parts that fail.

I don't know you or anything about you, but to suggest the empirical data you've presented (which is none) and this mystery "popular vote" should sway my opinion is quite laughable. :D
 
Glacial update:

Ok, so I have my driver side axle all put back together with lots of grease and new shiny spindles. I may or may not have accidentally switched the dust shields…which I discovered when mounting the driver side hub and bearings. After a brief rodeo of the shields and torquing everything (again) I started on the driver side hub and wheel bearing preload.

I love how many different recommended ways there are to do this. After fussing around with the spring scale and the FSM and not being very happy I quit. I could tell I was rushing and I don’t really need too. So I made some coffee and ate some lunch.

I’m leaving it as is until next week when I’m back from a trip to MN. Maybe I’ll get to driving it again one of these days! But I am much closer, and it feels good to have the axles all buttoned up.

Oh and I picked up my old diff gears and carriers from the shop. I asked if I could have them back and they were happy to let me lug them away. It’s amazing how good they look after 220k-ish miles. Open to offers… :flipoff2:

Ok, I’m done updating my thread. Feel free to commence the brawl…
 
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