I went through the Lexus online build configurator and it mandated the 22”s. 18”s weren’t even and option.
Maybe a launch edition spec ?
Is the 250 the best size Landcruiser platform since the 40 series ?
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I just tried the build configurator again for the Overtrail. Got a mandatory 22”. May be a regional thing?
They don't do regional configuration differences between offered trims. The regional differences really only affect what sort of allocation the dealers get, and I'll bet you all dealers are getting some allocation of Overtrail.
I just tried 89101, 95054, and 99603 zip codes for Seattle, Scottsdale, and Homer as indicated in your location and still managed to build out an Overtrail with 18inch wheels and most other options.
Weird. I’ll try clearing my browser cache.
Working now for Seattle 98039. Thanks.
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Coming back to this...because....it's always worth it.
Can someone explain why these statements are true in light of the actual vehicle dimensions? Was he just fed a bad talking point?
"Dimension-wise, this is the closest we've seen to an 80 series. [...] This vehicle is very close in size to that."
Referring to the 250 in comparison to older models: "they made it smaller overall to better fit on trails".
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Interesting. So basically it remains too big.
An 80 is plenty large, arguably a bit too much IMO. Without a long inline 6 engine you’d think the overall length wouldn’t need to be as much for a comfortable cabin size.
Clearly the days of a narrower body style such as seen in the first and second gen 4 Runners is over.
Crumple zones and such make it hard to go back to something the size of a 60 or 80.
That's due, in part, to side-impact protection. No cars these days have that little room between the exterior door skin and the driver's outside shoulder.
I'm not saying that it can't or shouldn't be narrower than it is -- it should be. But no way it could be as narrow as the first and second gen 4Runners.
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Maybe that's what he was talking about?
The non hybrid gas models sold in Asian countries are non hybrid and… more expensive not to mention have significantly less power.
Hey I purchased my LC250 for MPG and didn’t get screwed, MY LC250 gets 19.8 city where my 80 series was getting 10.79
Different class of vehicle, built for different reasons, and were designed with different things in mind.....almost 40 years apart.
Crazy that Toyota spent billions on a high strung, turbo/hybrid system, adding untold cost and complexity, taking up cargo space, only to get 1-2 mpg better than the tried, true, bulletproof 4.0 that it replaced.......In perfect, brand new, non-modded, small road tire, conditions
Its almost like they do things just to keep themselves busy and employed.
Crazy that Toyota spent billions on a high strung, turbo/hybrid system, adding untold cost and complexity, taking up cargo space, only to get 1-2 mpg better than the tried, true, bulletproof 4.0 that it replaced.......In perfect, brand new, non-modded, small road tire, conditions
Its almost like they do things just to keep themselves busy and employed.
Wow the 4.0 got 25 mpg highway, I got 29 in my lc250
Too bad USA EPA standards won’t allow the v8 you can thank previous administrations.
High strung? Interesting mine never is….but then again I always use drive instead of “manual mode” not even sure their is a manual mode
High strung in what way? Have you actually driven a 250? Feels lower strung than my 4.6 in the gx460 was.
Just think if the tried and true bulletproof 4.0 and 'simple' 5-6 speed was put into a vehicle with much improved aero and a focus on material science for weight loss, that would help city and highway MPG.
Then no need for turbos, batteries, and high voltage system integrated design. No doubt more expensive, complex, and less reliable than the previous powertrain.
Is that 'green'?
THEN no need to spend billions to design the entire new system (but how would that keep everyone employed? how silly of me!). There is no need for giant screens, leather power seats, BSM, FCTA, 12 cupholders, heated and cooled seats, auto dimming mirrors, heads up displays, inverters, 6 USB ports, turbos, battery packs, wireless charging, lane change assist, safe exit assist, Pre-Collision System with Pedestrian Detection (PCS w/PD), Full-Speed Range Dynamic Radar Cruise Control (DRCC), Lane Departure Alert with Steering Assist (LDA w/SA), Lane Tracing Assist (LTA), Road Sign Assist (RSA), Automatic High Beams (AHB), Proactive Driving Assist (PDA) .....on and on and on.....on a Land Cruiser.
Money green is all that matters, it seems.
Sorry, I'm just so disappointed at what the 250 could have been...for today and for the enjoyment in the future. 5 manual seats, 3 knobs for HVAC, 4 speakers with an easily replaced/upgradeable double din radio, 16" steel wheels, NA engine, mechanical locker, 32" tires, 6 speed auto, $40 Koito headlights, manual shift tcase, washable floors, and trimming all of the low hanging plastic off of the body.....what else do you need?
Then no need for turbos, batteries, and high voltage system integrated design. No doubt more expensive, complex, and less reliable than the previous powertrain.
Is that 'green'?
THEN no need to spend billions to design the entire new system (but how would that keep everyone employed? how silly of me!). There is no need for giant screens, leather power seats, BSM, FCTA, 12 cupholders, heated and cooled seats, auto dimming mirrors, heads up displays, inverters, 6 USB ports, turbos, battery packs, wireless charging, lane change assist, safe exit assist, Pre-Collision System with Pedestrian Detection (PCS w/PD), Full-Speed Range Dynamic Radar Cruise Control (DRCC), Lane Departure Alert with Steering Assist (LDA w/SA), Lane Tracing Assist (LTA), Road Sign Assist (RSA), Automatic High Beams (AHB), Proactive Driving Assist (PDA) .....on and on and on.....on a Land Cruiser.
Money green is all that matters, it seems.
Sorry, I'm just so disappointed at what the 250 could have been...for today and for the enjoyment in the future. 5 manual seats, 3 knobs for HVAC, 4 speakers with an easily replaced/upgradeable double din radio, 16" steel wheels, NA engine, mechanical locker, 32" tires, 6 speed auto, $40 Koito headlights, manual shift tcase, washable floors, and trimming all of the low hanging plastic off of the body.....what else do you need?
you just described a 70 series... they are in existence... just not plush enough for the spoiled comfort seeking North American audience, in toyotas eyes
Toyota is focused on the competition, not on what we - enthusiasts - want. Their target is to snatch the soccer mom that finds the Defender cute and boxy. No way they would be able to do that with the car you described, or with the 300 series. They kinda tried with the Prado 1958, but then screwed up asking $60k for a stripped down 4-banger. Yes, money green and "looks" is what matters. Sad but true.