Installed Toyo MTs - First Impressions

[Ebag333]

Are these tyres really that expensive? I haven't really checked on them.

$300 installed, and that was based on price matching. Original retail was $308.

They do look great, the tire is visually ideal for an 80 on 35's.

That seems to be about the price I remember for the Toyo M/T's here.

Of course that is twice what I paid for my A/T's (which I'm actually happier with).

Like I posted in another thread, the price jump from 33" to 35" was huge. If I'd stuck with 33" then the price would have been pretty close to any other tire. For some reason that extra two inches means doubling (or more) the price of the tire.

 

[landtank]

I think they were close to hovering, too.

It would be pretty odd for the 2.5 year old tire with tons of lateral runout to drive perfectly straight and the tire that requires very little balancing to pull, don't you think?

I don't get bogged down in this type of thought process when looking for answers. I usually start with the obvious culprits and then systematically check and verify that they are in spec. The short list would be tire pressure, brakes, wheel bearings and then steering components and alignment.

For whatever reason these tires are bringing out a problem with the truck. Gone unresolved I'm sure the tires will suffer from it.

 

[jfz80]

Hope they work out well in that winter season you guys have. I thought id heard more and more folks stepping away from these as the fad faded. Your choice suprises me, that is all.

They do look great, the tire is visually ideal for an 80 on 35's.

Yes i realize its just an opinion; but what makes this tire so visually superior to any other true 35'' tire out there? sidewall tread? Id think trxus or cooper stt's would win out there.

I don't know if I'll be happy or not. Trxus become more of a handful as they age in terms of keeping them round, and by all accounts the Toyos won't.

OK so how did you acquire this tidbit of info w/ such confidence?

 

[Nay]

Hope they work out well in that winter season you guys have. I thought id heard more and more folks stepping away from these as the fad faded. Your choice suprises me, that is all.

I posted this thread about winter use as well as one on Rising Sun. All local reports have been good. Trxus good? We'll see. I doubt it, but I could be surprised.

https://forum.ih8mud.com/80-series-tech/243057-toyo-mt-road-snow-input.html

Toyo MT - Snow Performance - Rising Sun Member Forums

Yes i realize its just an opinion; but what makes this tire so visually superior to any other true 35'' tire out there? sidewall tread? Id think trxus or cooper stt's would win out there.

The tread section is a bit wider on the Toyo, and it really stands out on an 80, which visually eats tires up, even 35's. That flatter sidewall at the top of the tread makes them look somewhat larger. That is not relevant in selection, just a comment from a guy who came really, really close to going 37's.

OK so how did you acquire this tidbit of info w/ such confidence?

People have posted over and over that the Toyo stays round over time, I've never seen anybody post the opposite. Even CreeperSleeper who hates his Toyos says they are still round after all that "smoke 'em if you got 'em" abuse

Having a tire really stay round is not a fad, it's a major component of keeping the road feel over a 3 year tire lifespan. This is where the Interco isn't outstanding, unfortunately. If a major manufacturer made the trxus, there would be no other tire I would even consider.

I don't think any tire is perfect, as much as I loved the trxus I got tired of the wheel shake as they aged. I tend to sell a tire at half tread, which is expensive. If winter is good, I'll see if these will be a better value over the longer term.

I think the bottom line is that this tire is basically built off the MTR, and will be good in the same environment as the MTR. In other words, the Southwest and places that see similar conditions.

I think it's funny that people are so surprised to see me go against my own grain. I do it because I like to know rather than wondering all the time if the choices I've settled into are still the best for me three, four, or five years later. I'm honest about the results and this will be a great comparison for me.

 

[Nay]

I don't get bogged down in this type of thought process when looking for answers. I usually start with the obvious culprits and then systematically check and verify that they are in spec. The short list would be tire pressure, brakes, wheel bearings and then steering components and alignment.

For whatever reason these tires are bringing out a problem with the truck. Gone unresolved I'm sure the tires will suffer from it.

Good point as I really doubt it is a problem with the tires. I'm not going to get too concerned based on a half day of ownership and 40 miles of use. I'll have to go and get my alignment specs in a week or so if there is still a pull. I'm aligned for a DC shaft, but there is a full two degrees of variance there, which is plenty to still be low. The significant additional tread contact of the Toyo may be calling out moderately low caster.

 

[concretejungle]

I started off with my first set of aggresive tires on the 80 as 33 inch truxus. I was blown away at how well they dug off road. I was also very happy with the on-road quality other than a little bit of extra wandering. That could have been caster or worn out rod ends helping.

Anyways, switched to the nitto terra grappler. It was an OK tire. Did better off road than i expected. Just as noisy on the road as the truxus, wore quick, and didn't balance well.

Now i have a set of truxus in 35 inch and so far i'm wondering what took me so long to get them back. The only other tire i would have chosen over this is the TSL, but really that's not comparing apples to apples.

 

[alia176]

Nay,

I think the reason you're now pulling to one side is due to the section width and the "block" type of profile. Your Truxus are rounded tread design (less grabby on ruts) and had a narrower contact patch than the Toyos.

I measured Beowulf's tire+rim at 115 lbs. I'm curious what the weight of the Truxus + rim ends up at.

 

[Nay]

Nay,

I think the reason you're now pulling to one side is due to the section width and the "block" type of profile. Your Truxus are rounded tread design (less grabby on ruts) and had a narrower contact patch than the Toyos.

I measured Beowulf's tire+rim at 115 lbs. I'm curious what the weight of the Truxus + rim ends up at.

I think you are right, that was my first impression. Trxus really ride on the center of the tread - that's why they are so quiet. This does point to caster as LT suggested, i.e. the Toyo is more "darty" than the Trxus and more likely to expose being at the low end of caster specs.

Trxus and Toyos are the same weight in a 35 @ 76 lbs as stated by the manufacturer, not sure if that plays out in reality.

The Toyos *feel* lighter in driving (think interstate merging uphill @ 7,400 ft elevation), probably because they are not as soft (or oblong )

 

[Beowulf]

I measured Beowulf's tire+rim at 115 lbs.

My spare tyre+rim measured 100# on a bathroom scale. Still quite a load for me to lift onto the truck.

-B-

 

[Nay]

My spare tyre+rim measured 100# on a bathroom scale. Still quite a load for me to lift onto the truck.

-B-

Try putting one up on the roof, I will kill myself doing this one day. On my tombstone they can write "But he could see clearly"

 

[Buckru]

Fixed it for ya

Try putting one up on the roof, I will kill myself doing this one day. On my tombstone they can write "But he could see clearly out of the rear window"

Buck

 

[Nay]

Fixed it for ya



Buck

Good point

Here's the new rubber.

 

[Tapage]

I'm running my Toyos OC MT 10 month right now .. not much experience on 315 ( are my first ) but from the exact time that I run it .. I'm so happy .. not a trail rig, more a city queen, but they looks great and handle impresive on road ..

Actually I don't need to run anybalance ..

 

[Elijah]

Good point

Here's the new rubber.

Looks great! Missing one thing though......37's!

 

[Nay]

Looks great! Missing one thing though......37's!

I know, I know. I almost did it. 37x17 Cooper STT's are my likely next tire when I have a little more time and hopefully $$$ to tinker with it a bit.

 

[ginericLC]

I ran the Toyos about 20k, until I sold my 80. Wear was good. I thought noise increased as they got older. I thought the noise was very acceptable in my 80. It is hands down the best tire I've ever run for what I use it for. We don't have a lot of mud here in Idaho. We have sharp lava rock that eats tires. The TRXus do not last here, the other Swampers do, well most others. The shape of the TRXus lugs shaves off quickly in this sort of terrain. I think they are more open than the Toyo and so they catch more which causes the shaving. I loved that I could run the Toyos on the trail at 8-10 psi and then pump them up to 35-38 psi and run them on the road with no issues. Winter they were good compared to other MTs I've run, MTRs, BFG MTs, etc... but not as good on ice or hardpack as say a BFG AT. I can't get over the price though, I want another set on my project truck but I'd have to sell a kidney or something to get into a 37" Toyo. I'm looking at TSLs for it as they'll hold up to the rocks and are reasonable in price. Road manners aren't as important for that rig.

Creeper, I have a set of 315 MTRs on the 100 I'll trade you for the Toyos

 

[CreeperSleeper]

Creeper, I have a set of 315 MTRs on the 100 I'll trade you for the Toyos

If your serious, let me know the details! (I hate my tires... )

 

[Nay]

If your serious, let me know the details! (I hate my tires... )

You'll hate MTR's, too. This basic tread pattern is a rock biased pattern, not mud. The heritage of the Toyo MT is the MTR.

If you want a mud to rock tire, don't get MTRs, don't get Toyos, don't get the Coopers.

This thread about Toyos is just like older MTR threads. Guys in muddy climates hate them, yet they are a standard bearer in the Southwest.

Of course, don't let that stop you guys spending $200 each to ship your tire swaps.

 

[CreeperSleeper]

Who said anything about shipping?!? We don't live that far apart! I realize that the MTRs would be the same boat I'm in now, but I know that Eric likes the Toyos better, so it would be to help him out. Hopefully (fingers crossed), I will have 37" or 38" Swampers on my 80 before the baby comes...

 

[slamd58]

Nay
you have convinced me to go get the Trexxus M/T's. My friend at Les Schwab just sold a set of 20's with Toyo A/T's for me so I finally have some cash to get some new tires. I ordered 5 Trexxus M/T's. I went ahead and got the 35's. I have had the Toyo M/T's and I didn't like them in snow pack and mud (sound familiar Chad)

It sounds like you like the Trxxus in the snow and mud so we will have a fair comparison after this winter. I am also going to order the DynaBeads to try to help keep them balanced. It sounds like others have had pretty good luck with the Dyna Beads.

I do like the Toyo's for on-road however. I also just ordered a set of Toyo Open Country A/T's (P275/60R-20) for my 07 Tundra. I had them on my 05 Tundra and they did well on the road and pretty good in the snow. I am going to have these siped this time.

Unfortunately Les Schwab called Interco today and the Trexxus are back ordered for 3 to 4 weeks (I guess I won't have to worry about OLD tires). That's fine by me... I have to get my friggin lift ordered and put on before I put the 35's on. damn... this is going to get expensive......